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  •  It's not a problem, it's a great thing (12+ / 0-)

    We likely will get two liberals/progressives running for Waxman's seat in the general election.

    The reason Miller won is because the leading Dem candidate ran a lousy campaign, and the state party didn't come in and do what they did with Brownley in the Ventura district.

    Top two in a progressive state is a godsend.  It doesn't prevent Dems from being incompetent sometimes though.

    All the problems we face in the United States today can be traced to an unenlightened immigration policy on the part of the American Indian. -- Pat Paulsen

    by tommypaine on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 02:02:06 PM PST

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    •  Rec'd for great sig line n/t (4+ / 0-)
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    •  how is that better than having two liberals (1+ / 0-)
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      running for Waxman's seat in a Democratic primary?

      ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

      by James Allen on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 05:49:50 PM PST

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      •  This diary focuses on an outlying result (1+ / 0-)
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        to suggest that the system always works badly for Democrats. A quick look at the make-up of the elected legislators in both CA houses says otherwise.

        The truth is that partisans from both parties don't like the new system because they think they each have a guaranteed right to be in the election.

        Il est dangereux d’avoir raison dans des choses où des hommes accrédités ont tort. - Voltaire
        Don't trust anyone over 84414 - BentLiberal

        by BentLiberal on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 06:25:35 PM PST

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        •  I don't think they have a guaranteed right (0+ / 0-)

          I just think that the top two system allows a party that doesn't at all represent the will of the voters to dominate the ballot.

          Actually, I don't think it. It's mathematics. Of all the systems California could have replaced the plurality system with, they chose one of maybe three that was worse.

          Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt

          by Phoenix Rising on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 06:49:39 PM PST

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          •  Does a system geared toward maintaining incumbants (1+ / 0-)
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            and safe seats represent the best interests of voters? Because that's what the 2 political parties have done for years in California. Together, Republican and Democratic party officials have worked together to ensure safe seats for their incumbents or their own people. They don't like each other and they fight over the pie they have, but they don't want others lining up for the pie.

            Now maybe this wasn't the best replacement, but I almost have to laugh at loud about cries of "but democracy" from political parties pretending that their existing m.o. prior to the new system was about anything but maintaining power.

            Il est dangereux d’avoir raison dans des choses où des hommes accrédités ont tort. - Voltaire
            Don't trust anyone over 84414 - BentLiberal

            by BentLiberal on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 07:24:59 PM PST

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            •  how does this threaten incumbents (0+ / 0-)

              more than the traditional system?

              It's probably protects relative moderates from ideological challenges from the left or right. The Democratic state senators in Washington who caucused with Republicans are probably protected because even if they go to the general election against a more progressive Democrat, the Republicans will vote for the incumbent.

              On the other hand, Mike Honda doesn't look at all under threat. Yeah, Pete Stark got knocked out, but that could've happened in a primary too. Incumbents do lose primaries sometimes. It happened in a state house district nearby to me in 2012, and to a number of other congressman across the country last year.

              ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

              by James Allen on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 08:51:44 PM PST

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            •  It's probably better than top-two (1+ / 0-)
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              At least generally the incumbent in a protectively drawn district represents (in some vague way) the political leanings of the majority of the district.

              The top-two system has a decent chance of screwing even that little bit up. So long as the dominant party in a district with top-two primaries is politically active (i.e. has multiple candidates running), then there is a decent chance that the minority party can slip in and steal the election.

              You want to get rid of incumbent protection, use non-partisan redistricting with some sensible rules. You want an effective voting system, use Ranked Choice or Instant Runoff. There's no perfect voting system, but top-two is among the top two or three worst available.

              Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt

              by Phoenix Rising on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 03:02:28 PM PST

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