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  •  I mostly agree, but... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...I also feel that a large portion of the problem we have with laws like this is that way too many religious people feel that their religious "liberty" should trump everyone else's rights simply because it's religion. Because so many people are so emotionally driven when it comes to their own religion, and cannot think rationally or objectively about it, they demand total privilege for their beliefs (and don't care even a little that that privileged place for religion in our society stomps all over other people's much more basic and important rights).

    Anytime you see a news story about the latest ruling against marriage discrimination, etc, the comments are full of people talking about "God's law", etc, which to me says that MANY MANY people have no awareness or care for the fact that other people have rights that are MORE IMPORTANT than their right to do whatever they want as long as they call it a religious belief. So, I think that it's time that the importance of "religious freedom" get taken down a few pegs in our society, because a large number of religious people obviously aren't going to listen to the argument that they should respect other people's right to disagree with their religious beliefs.

    This is why we used to have separation of church and state in this country: that allows everyone to have their own private religious beliefs without messing with other people's rights. But because the Republicans have thrown that concept out the window, religion has wormed its way into public life like a cancer. Separation of church and state protects religious beliefs as much as it protects the right to disagree. If Republicans are not going to respect the separation of church and state, then I don't see why I should respect it either. If religion is going to be used as the basis for law, then I'm going to start supporting laws that suppress and regulate the practice of organized religion. Because once they inject it into politics, it's fair game.

    •  Agreed on all points... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...and there's a definite need to (at least try to) reach and teach those folks.  Many of the folks doing that are, themselves, believers.  We should respect that.

      Ridiculing belief only accomplishes two things, neither of which is positive; it further alienates those we would try to reach/teach, and it offends many of those working alongside.

      The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

      by wesmorgan1 on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 08:46:06 AM PST

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      •  I disagree that ridicule does nothing positive. (0+ / 0-)

        Ridicule is really just a form of social stigma, and it serves as a deterrent against people holding certain beliefs. I actually believe that some beliefs DESERVE ridicule. For example, someone who believes that the universe is 6,000 years old and that that belief should be taught in public schools deserves to be ridiculed for that belief (because their belief is stupid and uneducated). Someone who believes that the Bible says gay people or black people are inferior deserves to be ridiculed for that belief. Ridicule is just part of the way that society and culture weeds out bad ideas and relegates them to fringe groups.

        I think that there is a place for more than one kind of advocacy, and that different approaches to social reform work in a complementary fashion. The civil rights movement, for example, needed BOTH the Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s AND the Malcolm X's. So we need people who try to come to a peaceable accommodation with the majority that ends up benefiting everyone in the end, but we also need people who dig in their heels and confront stupidity and evil head on. We need both fighters and peacemakers, and that goes for any social change movement.

        •  A few parting comments... (0+ / 0-)

          I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one, so I'll close with this...you wrote:

          Ridicule is really just a form of social stigma, and it serves as a deterrent against people holding certain beliefs.
          Actually, it's a deterrent against people expressing certain beliefs publicly; it does nothing to "reach and teach" in order to change beliefs.  In fact, it often causes them to, as you put it, "dig in their heels."

          Nonetheless, you're making the same distinction as did I.  You said, "someone who believes that the universe is 6,000 years old and that that belief should be taught in public schools", not "all Christians," right?  That's entirely appropriate; there are millions of Christians who AREN'T young-earthers.

          Mock the words and actions of individuals as you will, sure, but not the entire belief system and not as an indictment of all believers.  There's a difference.

          The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

          by wesmorgan1 on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 02:21:07 PM PST

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