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  •  well, the previous owners couldn't own them, (1+ / 0-)
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    so if they went to someone else, they know who really owns them.

    if anyone were doing this stuff on the right, come on.  oil prices go up for right wing strongmen, too; doesn't change their nature.

    Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

    by Loge on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 04:21:44 AM PST

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    •  Was the price of oil not going up pre-1999? (0+ / 0-)

      It was! The difference is the profit ended up in the bank accounts of a bunch of oligarchs. Since 2003, it's gone to the people, and that's had huge economic benefits for the entire country.

    •  Globovision is still on the right-wing (0+ / 0-)

      It's moderated since its sale (to another opponent of the government, and presents the oppositions narrative), but it still is hostile to the Bolivarian movement. TV stations in general have moderated over time, but that's because, unlike newspapers that are still as virulently Foxish as ever, they are sensitive to losing audience share. Profits, in the end, trump ideology.

      If CNN or Fox lead an active coup against the government, their owners would be in jail in this country.

      And do you think oil prices didn't go up pre-1999? They did! The profits just all ended up in the bank accounts of the oligarchy, instead of being invested in the people. That's what the Bolivarians have done since taking control of the state oil company in 2003, and it's the cause of all the positive economic indicators I posted.

      •  I never said Chavez is evil incarnate (0+ / 0-)

        or at his opponents are great.  It's that same paradigm I reject.  (Chavez btw knew from planning coups.).  What he didn't do is lead to institutions that could fight poverty  in the absence of high oil prices or govt largesse.

        Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

        by Loge on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 02:03:26 PM PST

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        •  He lead a coup against a government that (0+ / 0-)

          had gunned down thousands of poor people in the street after they protested the imposition of an IMF "structural adjustment" program. The president at the time had just been re-elected on an anti-IMF platform. Look up the Caracazo.

          •  Not inconsistent with my argument. (0+ / 0-)

            - some policy justification for what he believed.

            - not into democratic institutions.  

            Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

            by Loge on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 05:55:38 PM PST

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            •  "Some" (0+ / 0-)

              The coup attempt was hugely popular and is the reason why he won a large majority in 1999 and had the support to pass a new, much more democratic constitution. It's much more democratic than ours is, certainly.

              Your first point is an understatement and your second point has it exactly backward.

      •  Re: CNN and Fox News (1+ / 0-)
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        If Fox News and CNN were unable to propagate their disgusting dis-information  for a year or two (less than an election cycle), most Americans would chose a Chavez or a Maduro over a Bush or Clinton.  Rather than criticizing Chavez for what he did for press freedom in Venezuela, we should try to emulate his vision of a press that truly served the needs of a people, a press free from capitalist lies and propaganda.  

        A nation that jails more people than any other on earth, a nation where a quarter of its female students are the victims of rape on college campuses, according the the President himself, a nation that is trying to strip the voting rights of minorities by new registration requirements should not throw stones.

        •  Yes, right on (0+ / 0-)

          Venezuela has been big in pushing community radio stations, and training ordinary people to cover their local communities. We should be pushing efforts like that here, especially as privately owned newspapers cut more and more local coverage.

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