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  •  Can't say I'm really surprised. (19+ / 0-)

    Not happy in the least, but not shocked.  'Bury it' or 'dump it into (the air/the water) have been mankind's only real answer to most types of pollution forever.  Obviously 'bury it' isn't working here, so 'flush it out into the ocean' was bound to be the next answer they came up with.

    And the pro-nuke supporters will go on proclaiming that we have no alternative but to keep 'nuclear' in the energy mix.  All of the above, after all, is what the administration pushes.

    •  Maybe the cockroaches will figure (8+ / 0-)

      something out when they are left with the mess.

    •  There have been no new construction (1+ / 0-)
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      starts since 1977.  Even though the Obama administration has an 'all of the above' policy, there are no new nuclear plants.

      What has been achieved are gains in power plant utilization through improved refueling, maintenance and safety systems at existing plants.

      The good news is that new nuclear is not cost effective, and has not been for years.  

      I am hopeful that with solar, wind, and other green energy improvements, we can stay away from any new nuclear.

      •  Wrong, indie (2+ / 0-)
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        The Vogtle 2 nuke is under construction in GA.

        “The answer must be, I think, that beauty and grace are performed whether or not we will or sense them. The least we can do is try to be there.” ― Annie Dillard, Pilgrim at Tinker Creek

        by 6412093 on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 11:41:52 AM PST

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        •  With a billion dollars' worth (7+ / 0-)
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          of cost overruns and lengthy construction delays, mounting daily. The Summer plant in SC is only $500 million over cost so far, its delays are comparable. Both projects have been labled "mistakes" by the financial industry.

          Another Vogtle Debacle?

          My projection: These plants will never see service, but the utilities and contractors will make a mint. Which was the point, of course.

          Remember, this is SOP for the industry and always has been. Not a single nuclear plant has ever come in on time or on budget in the entire history of nuclear power. Not one, and they're not getting any cheaper. By the way, the stupid Westinghouse AP1000 design should never have been approved in the first place. It's even more dangerous than our current antiquated nukes. Same old technology, more unstable containments.

          There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. - Will Rogers

          by Joieau on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 12:57:38 PM PST

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          •  The issue was: (3+ / 0-)
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            There have been no new construction (1+ / 0-)
            starts since 1977.
            Thanks for mentioning Summer, I'd forgotten that was also underway.

            I never asserted those plants were on time and under budget, only that the construction was underway.

              It's two more examples of why I stopped arguing more stridently for nuclear power.  You could get 10,000 MW of wind turbines erected in the ten years before you got a 1000 MW nuke running.  They've built 2000 MW of utility solar power plants in the California desert in 1/3rd the time it'll take to finish Vogtle.

            I'll still bet you that both nukes will eventually come on-line.  But I'm already 64, so it may not be in my lifetime.

            “The answer must be, I think, that beauty and grace are performed whether or not we will or sense them. The least we can do is try to be there.” ― Annie Dillard, Pilgrim at Tinker Creek

            by 6412093 on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 03:05:38 PM PST

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          •  Just saw: $100B has gone to unfinished plants, (4+ / 0-)
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            plants which will never see service. You sure don't see that figured into 'cost per' claims about nukes competitiveness.

            Of course, the invariable overruns are part of the scheme. The plants are sold with 'we can do it for (say) $250M' and then they get enough of a start that they plead 'well, we'll just need another $250M' and because the commitment has been made the choice seems to be 'we can't throw away that money.' So communities and governments pick up the slack. Of course, they run late again and the same 'we need more'/'we've gone this far' scenario plays out and ... there you are with billions just thrown away.

            This is deliberate, this 'underestimation' scam.


            Actual Democrats: the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats. And actually addressing our various emergencies.

            by Jim P on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 09:58:56 PM PST

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            •  Of course it is, Jim. (3+ / 0-)
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              And "everybody knows it" too, except for the poor schmucks who have to pay for it all plus PA if it ever kicks in for a meltdown. Otherwise the industry worldwide could point to at least one or two plants that came in on time at the cost originally projected. None of them ever have, none ever will.

              Mere redistribution of wealth to the utility teat-suckers.

              There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. - Will Rogers

              by Joieau on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 06:47:57 AM PST

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        •  Well, guess I need to update (3+ / 0-)
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          my info.  I am glad that Joieau tells us that the new projects have been labeled mistakes by the financial industry.  Maybe we'll see others put on hold in the future.

          •  The investment capital (2+ / 0-)
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            is going overwhelmingly into renewables, indie. Has been for awhile. The only way nukes can even pretend to compete is to 'hide' the true costs behind their ridiculous corner on the subsidies market from gub'ment handouts of taxpayer money. All designed and implemented back when the MADmen figured out how they could charge the public directly as well as indirectly for their plutonium extinction plans.

            There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. - Will Rogers

            by Joieau on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 06:51:41 AM PST

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            •  Don't forget that they hide the cost (2+ / 0-)
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              of liability insurance, provided for free by you the taxpayer.

              If they had to pay for insurance, or even self insure, no company would EVER consider investing in a nuclear power plant in this country.

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