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  •  Good Point!!! (7+ / 0-)

    You have made an excellent point: some people are scared all the time.

    Be sure to also look at my comment in this diary about the "meet force with force" requirement of Stand Your Ground laws.  Under the law, it is not enough to be fearful; there must be a forceful provocation.

    Clearly, there was no forceful provocation in the Dunn case.  The Zimmerman case is different: Zimmerman claimed he was getting beat up.

    "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

    by Hugh Jim Bissell on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 11:18:28 AM PST

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    •  Huge Jim Bissell (5+ / 0-)

      I always thought self defense means when someone breaks into your home, of course you can use force to protect
      your family.
      Zimmerman was told NOT to carry a gun,He goes after a young man walking home. Now Zimmerman sells paintings
      for $100k. Racists are everywhere,but in Florida, they
      have it easy. Zimmerman should spend the rest of his life in
      prison. He will kill again.

      Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

      by Vet63 on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 12:33:26 PM PST

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      •  Self defense (3+ / 0-)
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        Means you have a "reasonable" fear of death or serious bodily injury and you respond with force. Stand your ground means you don't have to look for some other exit from the situation before responding with that force.

      •  Allow me to explain (5+ / 0-)

        I do not disagree with what you say about Zimmerman.  In my mind, Zimmerman is guilty of murder.

        In my previous comment, I said that the case for Zimmerman was different.  He claimed he was getting beaten up.  So, he at least could claim he was in fear of his life.  And most reasonable people might agree that if they were getting beaten up, they too would be in fear for their lives.

        Dunn could not claim that he was being beaten up.  Indeed, eyewitnesses said there was no provocative force used against Dunn.  So he has a more difficult task in saying he was in fear for his life: he has to make people believe he was in fear for his life because he saw a gun that was not there.

        "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

        by Hugh Jim Bissell on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 12:56:56 PM PST

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      •  Be careful (0+ / 0-)

        you are verging on the claim that rape victims should not be allowed to fight back if they are attacked outside their home.

        You ALWAYS have the right to self defense - no matter where you are.

        SYG means you do not have the duty to try and retreat first, which is what makes it so awful.

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