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  •  The oil aspect is more about pipelines which (4+ / 0-)
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    would run through Syria and there is some talk about oil off the coast.

    Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

    by InAntalya on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 12:12:17 PM PST

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    •  You should know there are pipelines to Ceyhan. (3+ / 0-)
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      There is simply no need for pipelines through Syria.
      Some talk of oil off the coast? Even if the doubled or quadrupled prewar production it would still be peanuts. It would make much more sense to invade Venezuela, Kazakhstan or Brazil. The trouble in Syria has nothing to do with oil. It has to do with people sick of a murderous dictator, regional geopolitics and religious differences. No need for petro-CTs.

      I ride the wild horse .

      by BelgianBastard on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 12:25:11 PM PST

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      •  I do know about the pipeline but I also know (2+ / 0-)
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        that there is a great deal of interest in the region and by oil companies regarding possible pipelines through Syria - some want to build them while others want to prevent them from being built.

        Also, geographically pipelines through Syria make much more sense than through Turkey, and for some politically too - pipelines through Turkey have to go through Kurdish areas.

        And please stop the unfounded accusations of CT.

        Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

        by InAntalya on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 12:35:42 PM PST

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        •  Well provide some links... (2+ / 0-)
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          Pipelines through Syria would have to take a major detour or they would go through Kurdish areas of Syria.

          And where would this oil supposedly come from? Iran... see below. Iraq?

          And until you provide some evidence for you assertions that the conflict is about pipelines or maybe 'talk of offshore oil' or even that such plans or talk exists at all, I will consider such assertions to be CT-nonsense. I am willing to use the phrase "idle speculation", though,  if that makes you feel better.

          I ride the wild horse .

          by BelgianBastard on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 01:33:54 PM PST

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          •  You seem to have a problem understanding (1+ / 0-)
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            English.

            I never said the conflict was about pipelines. I said the oil aspect of the discussion was more about pipelines than oil.

            So either stop talking writing bullshit or learn how to understand what you read.

            Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

            by InAntalya on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 01:48:52 PM PST

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          •  Control of the Kurdish areas of Syria (2+ / 0-)
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            for a future pipeline is precisely the objective of the Qatari and Saudi governments and their proxies fighting in the region.  

      •  You should know (3+ / 0-)
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        Ceyhan, controlled by Turkey,which  leans to the West, Saudi and Sunni (depending on the day), Iran would be nuts to rely on that vulnerability.  
        Why do you think Turkey is supporting the Sunni opposition in the Syria conflict?

        •  Care to provide any links of this supposed... (1+ / 0-)
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          Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline?

          Less than twenty percent of Iranian oil exports go to the EU, the only market that would be served by such a pipeline.

          Turkey takes seven percent, but a pipeline that avoids Turkey to supply Turkey doesn't make much sense.

          China 22%, Japan 14%, South Korea 10%,  Taiwan 1%, India 13% Sri Lanka 2% and South Africa 4%. All of these countries are in the wrong direction for such a pipeline.  It just makes no sense.

          I ride the wild horse .

          by BelgianBastard on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 01:27:06 PM PST

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          •  Friendship Pipeline (3+ / 0-)
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            http://en.wikipedia.org/...

            The Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline (called the Friendship Pipeline by the governments involved and the Islamic gas pipeline by some Western sources[2]) is a proposed natural gas pipeline running from the Iranian-Qatari South Pars / North Dome Gas-Condensate field field towards Europe via Iran, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon to supply European customers as well as Iraq, Syria and Lebanon.[1] The pipeline is planned to be 3480 miles long and have a diameter of 56 inches.[1] A previous proposal, known as the Persian Pipeline, had seen a route from Iran's South Pars to Europe via Turkey; it was apparently abandoned after the Swiss energy company Elektrizitätsgesellschaft Laufenburg halted its contract with Iran in October 2010 in the face of pressure over US sanctions against Iran.[3][4]
            •  So now Qatar and Iran are fighting over Syria, (2+ / 0-)
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              and they are on opposite sides, so that afterwards they can build a gas pipeline together through the country? That doesn't make a lick of sense.

              Also, too, building gas pipelines through war zones is not a profitable enterprise.

              I ride the wild horse .

              by BelgianBastard on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 01:39:16 PM PST

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              •  I realize that you are obtuse (3+ / 0-)
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                but you might be able to read these:

                The idea of Syria as a regional oil transit hub is nothing new, thanks to its situation between Europe and major producing areas in the Persian Gulf and Caspian Sea. There is already one major transnational gas pipeline passing through Syria, the Arab Gas Pipeline (AGP) from Egypt to the Lebanese port of Tripoli. There is also the old IPC line from Iraq, which has been off-line since the US invasion of that country in 2003.

                In 2009, recognizing that the heady days of Syrian oil production in the 1980s were long gone and that the sector’s future lay in transit, Assad announced a ‘four seas strategy’ aimed at transforming the country into a regional hub for oil transportation between the Persian Gulf and the Black, Caspian and Mediterranean seas. He began taking steps to realize the country’s transit-center potential and bring the four seas strategy closer to reality.

                In late 2010, his government signed a memorandum of understanding with Iraq for the construction of two oil and one gas pipeline to carry gas and oil from Iraq’s Akkas and Kirkuk fields, respectively, to the Syrian port of Banias on the Mediterranean Sea. In July 2011 Iranian officials announced a $10 billion gas pipeline deal between Syria, Iraq and Iran that would transport gas from Iran’s South Pars gas field, the world’s biggest, through Iraq to Syria. Also planned was an extension of the AGP from Aleppo, in Syria, to the southern Turkish city of Kilis that could later link to the proposed Nabucco pipeline linking Turkey to Europe, if that pipeline ever materializes.

                http://openoil.net/...

                http://www.alarabiya.net/...

                http://en.wikipedia.org/...

                http://en.wikipedia.org/...

                Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

                by InAntalya on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 01:41:57 PM PST

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              •  Not really (1+ / 0-)
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                1.  Iran and Qatar are both gas rich and are rivals in finding new markets.

                2.  Building pipelines through conflict zones is fantastically profitable.  Providing you back the right side politically

    •  Shi'a Crescent Pipelines (2+ / 0-)
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      carrying oil from Iran/Iraq to the med and the EU markets.  While blocking Saudi access to the Med.

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