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  •  Darfur isn't on the Chinese border... (3+ / 0-)
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    Rich in PA, cryonaut, FG

    ...and even if China was willing to abstain, how would you go into NK to get the Dear Leader of the Pack to bring him to justice?

    •  That's the issue. (2+ / 0-)
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      BelgianBastard, cryonaut

      It's not that China this or China that, it's that the ICC has no power over a regime whose leading figures don't leave the country.  NK should be expelled from the UN but that's where China would intervene to make sure it doesn't happen.

      It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

      by Rich in PA on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 01:23:57 PM PST

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    •  China has two major concerns about NK. (4+ / 0-)
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      whizdom, FG, ypochris, mookins

      They absolutely don't want the DPRK to collapse for two reasons.

      Firstly, this would probably mean a flood of refugees that China doesn't want.

      The second is that a collapse of the regime in Pyongyang would likely lead to a reunified Korea dominated by the South. China doesn't want a US ally right on its border (even if US troops remained in the former South).

      I ride the wild horse .

      by BelgianBastard on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 01:51:22 PM PST

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      •  At the same time, though... (3+ / 0-)
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        Gordon20024, ypochris, mookins

        Having NK on their border is a bit like having a potentially violent mentally unstable neighbor.  

        China wants to keep becoming a bigger player on the national stage, and coddling an insane regime that now has firmly documented abuses on a massive scale makes it hard for them to stay credible.

        And NK has been a headache for China on more than one occasion.

        It's a little bit like having a family member that's constantly in trouble with the law and doing hard drugs and such... you can talk to them, you can give them a place to crash for the night, you can give them gas money, even try an intervention to get them clean, but eventually you may just have to decide enough is enough and cut them loose to deal with their own consequences.

        China might not be at that point yet, but this report is going to be another step in getting there.

        •  I've wondered about this too (4+ / 0-)
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          exlrrp, Gordon20024, ypochris, mookins

          If you're China, and you are trying to present yourself as modern, in tune with the rest of the world, open-minded, etc., then you might well want to distance yourself from your really crazy repressive tyrannical neighbor.

          Of course on this theory John Boehner should be doing more to distance himself from the right-wing flame-throwers. . . .

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