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  •  Protesters aren't the threat Holder's DOJ makes (137+ / 0-)
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    them out to be.

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    by Lefty Coaster on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 09:09:52 PM PST

    •  Oh, but they are. (23+ / 0-)

      Remember, most of these judges come from corporate law firms.

      Protesters mean nothing to our government. It's survived way more than three nuns. These judges aren't worried about a threat to the government, they're worried about a threat to their buddies in the private sector.

      Like that poor, poor security firm that lost it's contract because of these people.

      The NERVE of these protesters! Interfering with a corporation's bottom line!

      Don't they know that corporations are people, too?!

      An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

      by OllieGarkey on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 05:44:41 AM PST

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    •  Let's review a moment (0+ / 0-)

      The protestors cut three fences, leaving them open and unsecured.
      The protestors then approached, defaced and hammered upon bunkers full of weapons grade uranium, for all that they knew, uranium still inside of a functional nuclear warhead.
      Hammering did damage the bunker, US government property, which now has to be repaired, the defacement undone and security properly implemented.

      But, that is acceptable.

      So, would it be acceptable for someone to scale the White house fence, toss an unlighted Molotov cocktail at the building, then hammer on the oval office window?
      After all, the building is flame resistant and the windows are bulletproof. It's OK, right, as long as it's a protest?

      As for that plant security, the contracting officer should be terminated for cause, the inspectors terminated for cause, the contractor cannot underperform in a vacuum.

      •  That's quite a stretch. (4+ / 0-)
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        Let me give a more appropriate scenario.

        To protest a town policy, perhaps a discriminatory policy against a particular group, three people cut a hole in a fence that encloses a local government building. They make their way to the building, knock a small chuck of brick off the the building wall, and then paint a pro human rights slogan on the wall. They then wait to be arrested.

        A court should then sentence these people to 3-5 years in prison?


        Everyone who participates in civil disobedience realizes that there are consequences. However these sentences go beyond any reasonable punishment and are simply vindictive. Imagine that MLK had been sentenced to three years in prison for his acts of civil disobedience.

        In essence, the government has created three more political prisoners. If the Obama administration was involved in this dishonorable action, it says more about their values (or lack thereof) than it does about the protestors.

        A proud member of the Professional Left since 1967.

        by slatsg on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 04:55:07 PM PST

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        •  Martin Luthr King most likely was sentenced for (1+ / 0-)
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          his civil disobedience.  It would be nice if government could learn to accept constructive criticism even if it is not about to do anything to correct the under lying problem.

        •  Thank you for some perspective, slatsg! (0+ / 0-)

          --------------------- “These are troubling times. Corporation are treated like people. People are treated like things. …And if we ever needed to vote, we sure do need to vote now.” -- Rev. Dr. William J. Barber

          by Fiona West on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:12:26 PM PST

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        •  Sadly (0+ / 0-)

          I was a radar and Missile repairman at Fort MacArthur CA in San Pedro.  We had nuclear warheads there and our sole protection was a chain link fence that bordered on the main drag.  We had regular home style locks on the doors and a chain link fence inside protecting the warheads.  At night there were 2 of us on duty making repairs and if a Nike site went down, we had to go there and get it back on the air leaving no one with the warheads.

          So the troll MAY have a point, but I'm thinking they have been paying a little more attention to security than the Army did in the 50s.  (I hope)

      •  AAWWW Newt (2+ / 0-)
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        Where did ou find a computer to write this?

      •  You should be thanking them -- let's re-review (6+ / 0-)

        Your details of what they did are overstated and melodramatic.

        1) Yes, they cut through three fences. "Leaving them open and unsecured" however? Please. The facility was already pretty much incomprehensibly unsecured. Clearly just the quality of the fences themselves was pathetic and merited being a cause for concern.

        2a) I'm guessing "defaced" refers to spray painting peace symbols and splashing blood. Cleaning that up is easy. I've done it (the cleaning part), yes, with both.

        2b) Hammered "upon bunkers?" There are a number of problems here. The Y-12 National Security Complex is immense. "Bunker" is just what the media inappropriately called it. It's not a small warehouse sitting behind three chain link fences. A link at the end of my post includes a picture of the complex. As far as what they hammered on goes, they knocked a chip off a wall when they found they were able to penetrate quite a ways into wherever it was they ended up, I'd guess to leave proof of how far they got after a clean up/repair job removed the evidence. "Hammering" was another media-generated word. They had a hammer or hammers. There's a quite a difference.

        As far as "bunkers full of weapons grade uranium" goes ... what? You make it sound like a bunker is an ice chest packed with uranium. That's doubly clear when you state the "bunkers" they hammered on were "for all they knew" holding "uranium still inside of a functional nuclear warhead." How did you...? I can't conceive of a way someone would even imagine a scenario like that. I'd probably never sleep again if I thought the military were so clueless and careless as to put uranium (let alone h-bombs) in containers small enough to be "hammered" and out in the open to boot.

        So, bunkers are buildings. There are many bunkers (as can be surmised just from the facility's name). I have no doubt that anything radioactive was secured and shielded in vaults of some nature. There was nothing "full of uranium" they could have gotten even remotely close to to hammer on.

        The damage, defacement, repairs don't add up to much. Certainly not the value all Americans (rest of the world as well) got from the discovery that a government facility containing the pinnacle of what terrorists would kill to obtain was as secure as an abandoned gas station in a ghost town.

        The more you look at the facility and what occurred there the more obvious it is just how incomprehensibly unsecured the complex was. Since 1988 there have been regular peace protests in front of the place. The facility's management knew for over two decades that it was an activist target. It's not worth saying anything more about this.

        That a small group of peace activists alerted our government of this shocking lapse in judgment and security instead of a catastrophic nuclear incident by an al Quaida cell, a Tim McVeigh or Unabomber is a blessing of the highest order. Did they break the law by trespassing? Yes. Did they cause damage that required repair or cleanup? Yes. Should they be tried for those things? Yes, and they were. They have been in prison since July 2012. That's plenty of time. They should have been convicted to uphold the law and allowed to go free with the time already done.

        Making how they were treated even worse, instead of trying them for what they actually did, the court/government decided to label what they did an act of sabotage for the simple reason that that allowed more severe punishment options. They were peace activists, not saboteurs.

        They should be thanked, quite frankly given awards, for the service they did us. Why did I spend the time to write this? Because they made this a safer country. The people who should be tried, fined and jailed in a big way are all those responsible for their appalling failures to manage a facility of this nature properly.

        The rest of your post about Molotov cocktails and the White House ... I'm going to be polite and not say anything about that. (What?)

        I put some time into searching the Web for info about the incident and facility which came from sources more reliable than blogs and little local newspapers: Reuters, CBS, USNews, and so forth. For info about the complex itself, its history, photos, Wikipedia's article was terrific. The article also provides lots and lots of links to relevant articles and documents.

      •  Yes lets review (2+ / 0-)
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        So hammering on a bunker designed to survive a nearby nuclear detonation = throwing an unlighted Molotov cocktail at a national monument?

        How do you figure that?

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        by Lefty Coaster on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 03:10:55 AM PST

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      •  lets review a moment,V2 (1+ / 0-)
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        Well,the difference is that we dont have too many presidents,we do have too much uranium though.
        Uranium storage is becoming a huge problem,one that were leaving to our ancestors
        the vast majority of non weapons grade is placed in upright concrete cylinders called dry storage casks,then placed on thick concert pads and allowed to just sit there and cool,these site are all over the country and there are thousands of cylinders just sitting there and more being added annually.
        full info at:

      •  Oh please ... (0+ / 0-)

        First of all, I'd be willing to bet these protesters knew at least as much about this facility as the incompetent "security" people who were supposed to be guarding it.

        Second, there's a reason that hammering on the storage tank was part of the protest. They were from The Plowshares Fund, which takes its name from the biblical verse about "hammering their swords into plowshares." They always hammer on the weapons they are protesting.

        For pete's sake, it's not as if they tried to destroy or steal the uranium. They were simply making a statement and they never expected to get as far as they did!  The contractors are the ones who ought to be going to jail.  Talk about a breach of national security. What if these people had been actual terrorists who really DID want to blow up the White House?

        And if that judge really thinks that 3 years in jail is going to discourage an 84-year-old pacifist nun OR The Plowshares Fund, he's living in a fantasy all his own.

      •  protest is not a felony (0+ / 0-)

        the damage they inflicted compared to the service they performed was largely symbolic and was not felonious in intent or in its results.

        they could have been stiff and draconian disorderly conduct sentences which would have had the same effect.

        major white collar criminals get less. BP  pleading guilty to serial murders pays a fine. Cheney pleaded guilty to terrorist and genocidal money laundering in Africa and Halliburton paid a fine.

      •  These amatures should be given a medal (1+ / 0-)
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        If an elderly woman along with these other amateurs could do this, then what would a professional terrorist be able to do?  All of the officials in charge of the facility should have been immediately arrested for sloppy security.  

        The officials who signed off on the design of the areas security should have also been arrested.

        Then the government officials in charge of this whole operation should have had charges of total ineptitude brought against them.  They didn't use quality control by actually going to the place and visually seeing for themselves that any idiot could break into the place with bolt cutters and a pair of pliers.  

        These protesters should be acknowledged for showing us all, how terrible the security was on such an important facility.  They should be given a medal for service to our country and alerting us to our lax security.  

        But it's the same old thing.  Remember 911 when the Pentagon was hit by a slow moving jumbo jet?
        Here was the so called elite protectors of the land, sitting in their offices inside the Pentagon, fixated on the TV news showing the Trade Towers in flames.  Meanwhile this slow lumbering jet is making it's way toward them.  They were like a deer caught in the headlights.  Caught with their pants down.  

        Then when they got hit, they seethed with anger at their own stupidity and immediately turned to revenge.  Who better to take out your anger on than a country that doesn't have nuclear weapons and an army that can't stand up to yours.  Hence Iraq.  Perfect place, especially since the Corporate Boys wanted some of ” dat free oil”   Yeah the “Good oil boys” were licking their chops and the Pentagon wanted to vent their frustration, Chaney who owned tons of Halliburton stock, having been a former CEO wanted the rebuilding contracts for Halliburton and the war was on.  

        In this case the officials are totally embarrassed because their strategic facility's security was breached by basically, a group of toddlers and they are seething with rage at their own stupidity, so, who better to take it out on?  Certainly not themselves for their ineptitude.  

        I say we give Megan Rice a medal for helping to make us all more secure.  

    •  This seems like an absurd injustice. The (1+ / 0-)
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      protestors accepted that they would get caught, and exposed a really serious security problem.  What if they had been terrorists?  The people who were in charge of security should have got jailed.  

    •  Yes, our government should thank the three nuns (2+ / 0-)
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      for testing the security of the facility and finding flaws in it and otherwise leave them alone.

      •  Those were my thoughts exactly (0+ / 0-)

        and that someone - - a refined "lady" of the cloth - -  has enough gumption to challenge authority and put her beliefs  into actions kinda makes me ashamed of myself.  You GO Girl - when you get out.

        Those who think they KNOW EVERYTHING really piss off those of us who DO.

        by olegar on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 08:34:09 PM PST

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      •  Actually, it was one nun. (0+ / 0-)

        As I understand it, the other two were somewhat younger laymen.

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