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  •  And he hits it outta (17+ / 0-)

    the park. Thanks for transcribing.

    ~War is Peace~Freedom is Slavery~Ignorance is Strength~ George Orwell "1984"

    by Kristina40 on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 05:34:40 AM PST

    •  Sorry, but he swings and misses reality (0+ / 0-)

      The only way he could hit it out of the park is if he was in the courtroom, in the jury box with the jury, then sat in deliberations.

      As usual, we see knee jerk reaction to a verdict, in a complete vacuum of facts of the actual deliberations and evidence presented.
      While the case may look damning, many cases do to the press from outside, from inside, when all was revealed through court records, the view is completely different.
      I used to have the same reaction, then I looked up the cases of interest, usually a SCOTUS decision that made no sense in the media spotlight.
      What was omitted from the media reports was the deliberations, the justification of views and explanation of the decision.

      For the murder one charge, a case must be presented to the jury, beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt, that the asshole indented to kill.
      From all that I've read, that wasn't proved, what introduced doubt was his fear, a claim of movement and several conflicting media reports on other evidence.
      So, I'd rather wait to see what the jury says, when they get around to talking to the press and see what the actual court record says, not what the media thinks went on.

      That all said, only a shitheel approaches a car full of people with a firearm over loud music.
      But, if being a shitheel was a crime, our community, county, state and national offices would be empty, especially of politicians and we'd need entire states converted into prisons.
      Personally, I've been in that precise spot myself. White guy, car blasting rap music. I simply asked nicely if they could "turn it down to a thermonuclear roar, as conversation here is impossible with my family".
      They turned it down a little, but enough that shouts weren't required to communicate with my family in my car.
      So, I did what reasonable people do, I thanked them.

      •  Misses reality? (3+ / 0-)

        You're overthinking this.  The article did not operate in a "vacuum" of facts; the facts of the case were clear and obvious.  Dunn's own testimony conflicts with every other witness's testimony, including his girlfriend's.

        It's a despicable law, meant to allow people like Dunn to kill at will.  But even the law, AS WRITTEN, includes what a "reasonable person" would believe is imminent danger.  This was not reasonable under any circumstances that you can imagine, make up, or theorize about the jury discussions.

        It's pretty clear that at least one of the jury members was somebody more like Dunn than like Davis.

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