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  •  Because they could have.. (5+ / 0-)

    ...attached unemployment to any number of must-pass bills, like the Farm Bill (which was all Reid could talk about after it was striken from the budget deal).  Heck, if it was attached to the budget omnibus, it wouldn't have been able to be filibustered.

    But instead, it was presented in the one way it was guaranteed to fail: as a standalone.  Did rather hold the Republicans up as the rat bastards that they are, but you can't eat moral victories, and that's exactly what I face.

    •  I See Your Point But ... (0+ / 0-)

      ... I also believe those would have been mixed messages that would have allowed the conservative/Republican/Tea Party to turn the tables on the progressive/liberal/Democrats and accuse them of obstructionism.

      But I thank you for your honest and informative response and concede you could very well be right.

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      by Homers24 on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 10:07:02 AM PST

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      •  Why is that bad? (2+ / 0-)
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        I have no problem with the Democrats obstructing the farm bill, the omnibus, etc. if they are doing it to keep the least fortunate in our society from having to suffer unnecessarily.

        If we could get "our" side to obstruct on behalf of moral and  necessary legislation just 1% as often as the GOP does it, who knows what good could be accomplished?

        •  What Is Bad Is .... (0+ / 0-)

          ... winning the battle but losing the war. And unfortunately because we live in an age of low information voters and face billions and billions of dollars in attack ads trying to defeat any and all progressive/liberal/Democrats that's a very real possibility.

          And yes you are right if Democrats stood defiantly for the moral and necessary as you call it they might have won that one battle. But it would be all for nothing if by doing so they also lost the majority in the Senate and lost seats in the house.

          I wish it was different to. I wish the majority of voting Americans could not only see what is moral and necessary but also be able to tell the difference between taking a stand on those issues and simply obstructing just because Barack Obama got elected. But at least in my experience they can't and won't. So as unfortunate as it is I see accepting the political realities of the system we have as far more practical and productive in the long run than fighting and dying for the political system we wish we had.  

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          by Homers24 on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 08:15:36 PM PST

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          •  No. The low information voter... (1+ / 0-)
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            is the one that doesn't realize that Republicans stripped this from the larger bill, just so that they'd be able to use it this way. It was so they could try and use it to draw further concessions from Dems. It's why they stripped SNAP from the farm bill. To blame Dems for allowing this is ignoring the real problem. If you're in a "red" state that relies more heavily on the compassion of the government and yet you continue to vote Republican, you're the problem. You can't vote for one party because they're going to prevent the gays from marrying and keep out the "illegals" and then complain about the state of the economy. In no way am I saying I don't sympathize with these people. I'm just saying that if you continue to vote on Social issues based on what Republicans will take away from other people, don't be surprised that they won't succeed in taking away others' civil rights, but they will succeed in hurting your wallet and raising your taxes, all in the cause of making things easier for the "job creators"....that have had 30 years and are still sending those jobs overseas.

            •  Actuall I Agree With Most Of This (1+ / 0-)
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              All I was saying is the Democrats obstructing the few bills that are getting passed would be a mistake in my opinion at least. Because like it or not the majority of US voters are basically low information and therefore susceptible to 30 second sound bites and just out and out lies and false right wing propaganda. So since the conservative/Republican/Tea Party members of congress are doing nothing but obstructing and actually harming both the economy and people its better to let them own it, lose in 2014 for it. And then come back to fix these problems when the Democrats are in the majority again.

              I honestly see that as our only hope and that is surviving the 2014 midterms and holding onto our majority in the Senate and hopefully building a majority in the House or at the very least making gains.

              Because as it is right now its pretty simple who is hurting them which is the conservative/Republican/Tea Party and we should not do anything to confuse them about that.

              Collect Different Days

              by Homers24 on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 02:15:31 PM PST

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