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  •  You understand that current federal law (3+ / 0-)

    makes it extremely difficult for EVEN the FBI to trace guns across state lines?

    That the results of background checks may not be retained longer than needed to complete the sale

    That the "bound book" that licensed dealers use to record individual sales can be audited only ONCE per year by ATFE and FBI agents ...

    So, maybe you 'splain me, how the FBI is supposed to track ANY guns across state lines, given those restrictions.

    Perhaps you know what percentage of  FBI investigations do not identify a source for the weapons ?   I certainly don't.

    And then, too ... is the FBI hardly investigates every domestic shooting and bodega robbery to find out where the involved guns came from.

    •  Every gun starts out in a legal sale (4+ / 0-)

      Guns have make, model, serial number, etc. and the FBI contacts the manufacturer. They know which distributor or dealer received which lots of each type of gun. The FBI then contacts the FFL to find out who the first legal purchser was. Even the the federal government is not allowed to keep track of who bought which gun, the FFLs must keep those records for every sale, when they fill out their part of form 4473.

      You're correct that the whole chain of ownership may not be known, since a gun may change hands multiple times between the first sale, and the last transfer before it is picked in a crime.

      Here's an interactive map showing how guns flow across state lines into criminal markets. The full report is available in the lower left corner, below the map.

      Note it's from 2010 based on 2009 trace data, so it's a bit out of date. Many states have changed their laws since then.  I'll be happy to discuss the map or the metrics further if your have any questions.

      "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” — William Arthur Ward

      by LilithGardener on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 06:37:23 PM PST

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    •  And you're right (2+ / 0-)
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      ThatSinger, Silvia Nightshade

      The FBI only traces guns recovered during federal investigations and any guns that local LEOs request traces for. Many jurisdictions don't trace all their crime guns.

      But all those traces remain in the FBI's database of lost or stolen guns. And when an FFL goes out of business their records get sent to the BATFE. (which have to be searched by hand, because NRA/ALEC got a law passed that they are not allowed to digitize them.

      "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” — William Arthur Ward

      by LilithGardener on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 06:46:43 PM PST

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    •  To say I disagree with the Thomas Court's (3+ / 0-)

      interpretation of the 2nd Amendment would be an understatement. :-)

      I support mandatory and permanent gun registration at every sale. This currently lacks majority support in many (thought not all) jurisdictions, even if Scalia-led rulings allowed it (which I'm not sure of). Registration doesn't strike me as "infringement" in any meaningful sense. (And no, I'm not worried about some Red Dawn dystopic fiction in which only privately-owned guns will save us from a tyrannical government. For that matter, in such a fictional scenario, I'd rather have my car than a gun.)

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