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  •  Okay, but remind me to whom both of those (4+ / 0-)

    agencies report?

    That would be the same president as does the DOJ, correct?

    The culture is set at the top.

    I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. - Susan B. Anthony

    by pajoly on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 01:30:23 PM PST

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    •  "Culture" may be set at the top (5+ / 0-)
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      but that doesn't automatically trump legal and administrative authority. While you may want to hold the President directly responsible for every action taken by the Federal Bureaucracy, absent direct evidence of executive intervention, that conclusion simply doesn't follow.

      Nothing human is alien to me.

      by WB Reeves on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 01:52:35 PM PST

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      •  Your point presupposes (2+ / 0-)
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        the President lives in an hermetically sealed bubble, unaware of the violations wrought by the branch of government he heads.

        Do you really think this issue (and many, many others of which we are aware) some how never came to his attention.

        Do you not believe he has an obligation to speak against executive abuses?

        In 2006 Obama explicitly ruled out a 2008 run for president and declared he would remain in the senate until his term expired in 2010. Encouraging Elizabeth Warren to run in 2016 is the right thing to do.

        by WisePiper on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 11:41:40 PM PST

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      •  Culture or Policy? (2+ / 0-)
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        There is nothing that happens in the executive branch for which the office of the president is not ultimately responsible. That's why the organization is shaped like a pyramid, with one person at the very tippy-top. Whoever holds that office has full authority over the organization and sets official policy, but also assumes full responsibility for its actions.

        Of course there could be situations where rogue elements act against policy. The president can't be held personally responsible if one of his generals goes a little funny in the head, and launches a bomber wing to execute Wing Attack Plan "R" for Robert. But he is certainly on the hook for cleaning it up.

        This particular case appears to have achieved sufficient notoriety and publicity to assume that the president must be aware of it. So the question becomes whether or not this was in accordance with administration policy. Absent at minimum an official statement to the contrary, I think it's safe to assume that it was. That makes him responsible.

        I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

        by itsjim on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 05:36:23 AM PST

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        •  I think it's safe to assume that it was. That make (0+ / 0-)

          "I think it's safe to assume that it was. That makes him responsible."  Horsecrap itsjim.  I wasn't aware of any of this until this diary.  I watch plenty of news and that's not even counting The Daily Show or the Colbert Report.  That's also not taking into account all the surfing I do either.  He's got quite a bit to do that extends well past what I have to do so I can't possibly think he could be aware of every dick move the government makes.

          I'm damaged and I like it, it made me what I am! BTW, my avatar is as stollen as my father's retirement fund.

          by Damaged262 on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 06:53:59 PM PST

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