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  •  Yes. You saw through the hype... (9+ / 0-)

    that many others weren't able to, and knew, as you were casting your vote, that you were voting for a moderate Republican.

    So you've been quite content with the way his presidency has turned out, or, at the very least, don't feel as though you've been let down, because you knew what you were getting.

    Is that about right? Or only if applied to 2012 and not 2008?




    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

    by DeadHead on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 02:59:40 PM PST

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    •  A bourgeois politician is a bourgeois politician (2+ / 0-)
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      who's relative progressiveness is entirely dependent on political circumstances and pressure from below. I understood that both in 2008 and 2012.

      My only "let down" was that so few people seem to grasp this. The latest example being the current enthusiasm for Elizabeth Warren, who I certainly prefer to HRC but who I have no illusions about.

      Nothing human is alien to me.

      by WB Reeves on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 03:32:51 PM PST

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      •  He certainly didn't cast himself as bourgeois (5+ / 0-)

        in either election, though, did he? Arrogance aside, do you really believe most people who voted for him were savvy enough to realize he would take on most of Cheney's policies? I consider myself a cynical political junkie, and he even fooled me.

        "You are not even aware of what is possible. The extent of their capabilities is horrifying."Edward Snowden -6.62, -6.92

        by CanyonWren on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 06:26:37 PM PST

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        •  Not sure what arrogance has to do with it. (0+ / 0-)

          Perhaps you'll explain.

          I would guess that most of the folks who voted for Obama in 2008 didn't do so for specifically ideological reasons. Obama was essentially the antithesis of Bush II on a personal/cultural level rather than a political one.

          I always thought that the nexus of foreign policy/war on terror/security state was going to be a tough nut to crack, since it involves the most powerful and influential interests in the US.

          I don't know whether to call it cynicism or realism.

          "Pessimism of the mind. Optimism of the will."

             

          Nothing human is alien to me.

          by WB Reeves on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 01:22:23 PM PST

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