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  •  "Soldiers can't be used against American (4+ / 0-)

    citizens..." So, what do you think was happening when Bush I sent federal troops to put down the LA uprising in 1992? Or when President Johnson sent federal troops to restore order in Detroit in 1967? Or when he sent federal troops to 22 cities in 1968 after the death of Martin Luther King?
       And self-defense is in the eye of the beholder. You might claim self defense if you open fire on a police officer who crashes through your front door. But more likely you'll be killed. And if you aren't, and you shoot a cop, you will almost certainly spend the rest of your life in prison.
      But you aren't going to win any wars if you only shoot when you're directly attacked. Civil warfare requires ambushes, and IEDs...IOW, murder.
       Public officials would obviously be targets in a civil war, whether you admit it or not. Otherwise, what's your plan? You're going to huddle in the root cellar while the government officials are out there organizing the population against you?
       Look, despite its many flaws, the government of the United States is a legitimate government and its highest officials are elected. It IS the people.
      OUR troops and OUR police and OUR elected officials shouldn't have to fear the people. Quit taking your politics from fantasy movies.

    •  What was happening was criminal actions, (1+ / 0-)
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      Norm in Chicago

      something our government seems to engage in with utter impunity these days - part of the reason many people feel a need to be able to defend themselves. And part of the reason many people feel it is not really OUR government.

      Believe me, civil war is the last thing I would want. But when the government loses all legitimacy, a direction in which it is headed with stolen elections, gerrymandering leading to unequal and unjust representation, and its continuous illegal actions in violation of the very Constitution which provides it with legitimacy in the first place, the people are going to demand a change. And when an illegitimate government uses force to suppress the people, the people are going to defend themselves. Our government knowing this is our best protection against it ever happening. And a powerful force pushing the government back towards the rule of law.

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