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  •  That's not the most surprising vote Colorado's (0+ / 0-)

    experienced lately.

    Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

    by FrankRose on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 10:35:47 AM PST

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    •  Tell me about it - the air quality control (0+ / 0-)

      commission voted over the weekend 8-1 to regulate methane. That's the first instance of such regulation in the United States and maybe the world.

      Oil and gas is a major part of Colorado's economic future, and that vote is a great example of how Colorado operates - it doesn't like partisan politics, it votes based on common sense, which is why Tancredo and the Colorado GOP voted for gun safety legislation after Columbine.

      It's too bad the Tea Party extremists have infected today's GOP in every state, so much so that after another mass shooting murder in Aurora, the moderate GOPers could not dare to even speak the words "gun violence prevention" without the Koch Bros. and gun lobby lining up extremists in GOP primaries.

      You'll notice, however, that the GOP has zero chance of unseating Hickenlooper despite the fact that as "Bloomberg's puppet" he signed sweeping gun reform into law.

      "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

      by We Shall Overcome on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 10:53:01 AM PST

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      •  As impressive as your predictions of Colorado (0+ / 0-)

        elections has been, you may want to see what quinnipiac found.

        "Colorado voters give Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper a split approval rating and more voters say he does not deserve to be reelected"
        When more voters think that he deserves to be unseated, that means there is a somewhat greater chance than 'zero' of him being unseated.
        While pondering that, why don't you take a wild guess when his numbers took a nose dive?

        It wasn't "tea party extremists" that showed up to Giron & Morse's recall elections; it was Democrats...and 20-30% of those Democrats voted for their recall.

        Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

        by FrankRose on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 12:09:19 PM PST

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        •  Shocker: more SPAM, you've made that point 1000x. (0+ / 0-)

          And, you cherry picked that poll ... when participants are asked to vote in head to head matches, Hickelooper mops the floor, beating every GOP candidate with Tancredo being the most competitive. But doh! The rumor is, he is going to drop out because no one has a snow balls chance.

          As we discussed yesterday, the "Draft Beauprez" nonsense drummed up by Erick Erickson on his conservative blog Red State likely means that Republican Bob Beauprez really and truly is about to jump into the race for Governor; pretending to "draft" a candidate is one of the oldest tricks in the political playbook. Of course, the very fact that Beauprez is even able to enter a top statewide race this late in the game is causing a certain amount of anxiety among Republicans, who see their chances at upending Gov. John Hickenlooper eroding by the day. But with a weak field unable to raise much money combined, it's becoming harder for anyone to dismiss a candidate who can at least self-fund to some degree — even if his last name is Beauprez.

          Obviously Tancredo would deny that any such deal was in place — it doesn't do him any good to confirm this, particularly if Beauprez ultimately doesn't run — but this is the kind of thing that Tancredo would be likely to do. Before Tancredo became the American Constitution Party nominee for Governor in 2010, he talked openly about his preference that a strong Republican would run and make his own bid unnecessary. And as Mike Littwin notes in the Colorado Independent, Tancredo seems underwhelmed at the idea of actually being Governor: - See more at: http://coloradopols.com/...

          http://coloradopols.com/...

          But by all means, don't let your ignorance of Colorado get in the way of posting SPAM number 1,001 about Colorado's recall elections in 3, 2, 1 ... it's catchy and sounds interesting, but it's actually not. And, really, the bottom line at this point is, the more SPAM like that you post, the more what little credibility at DKos you may still have erodes.

          "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

          by We Shall Overcome on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 12:23:35 PM PST

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          •  If a sitting Governor was already behind in the (0+ / 0-)

            polls before a nominee was chosen, the race would, for all practical purposes, already be over.
            Cheer leading is pointless. Try to use some basic political knowledge when making predictions.

            And yes. I do mention unprecedented elections where a quarter of Democrats voted GOP, particularly when the election was specifically as a result of the issue we are discussing & happened in the same state.
            That isn't 'SPAM'.
            That is the most accurate bellwether we have, that is by far the biggest game changer there is & that is the cold, hard FACT of the matter.

            "what little credibility"
            Credibility doesn't depend upon yours or anyone else's feelings.
            Credibility depends upon being accurate.
            And thus far my predictive accuracy has far outpaced your own.

            Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

            by FrankRose on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 01:01:10 PM PST

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            •  Right - like I said, SPAM #1,001 has arrived. (0+ / 0-)

              About basic political knowledge when making predictions, maybe you didn't read the block quote, in particular this:

              Of course, the very fact that Beauprez is even able to enter a top statewide race this late in the game is causing a certain amount of anxiety among Republicans, who see their chances at upending Gov. John Hickenlooper eroding by the day. But with a weak field unable to raise much money combined, it's becoming harder for anyone to dismiss a candidate who can at least self-fund to some degree — even if his last name is Beauprez.
              If you were the slightest bit interested in Colorado, you might have looked into who Beauprez is - he is a Colorado politics punchline. And the fact that he is considering getting into the race, is an indication of just how pathetic the GOP gubernatorial field is in 2014.

              But, again, don't let that stop you from making SPAM number 1,002 about the Colorado recall elections in 3, 2, 1 ...

              And, yes, credibility - most people at DKos rightly call you on your SPAMMING.

              http://www.dailykos.com/...

              "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

              by We Shall Overcome on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 01:18:49 PM PST

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              •  Someone that is a political punch line? (0+ / 0-)

                Al Sharpton.
                Dennis Kucinich.
                Joe Biden.
                Mike Gravel.
                Joe Lieberman.

                All ran for the Democratic Party nomination in 04 or 08.

                I am completely unaware of this political theory concerning nominees of yours .
                Primarily because it doesn't exist.

                There is already a bellwether for you to look to.
                Polls already show that Hickenlooper is vulnerable.
                At best the party is going to be forced to put resources into a race where the governor was untouchable.
                There is one reason why it is not.

                The best thing that could happen for Hickenlooper is for Tancredo to win the nomination. How can you possibly come to the conclusion that his leaving the race is good for Hickenlooper?
                Tancredo is a known entity & has a shitload of baggage.
                More voters already think he should lose his job. The GOP wants the race about Hickenlooper. Why would they want to make it about Tancredo?
                Again, this is basic knowledge of political strategy.

                There is even recent election results that bare this out.
                A very clear indicator that most call 'FACT', but you refer to as 'SPAM'.

                Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                by FrankRose on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 01:53:34 PM PST

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                •  Facinating insight - but I think I'll stick to (0+ / 0-)

                  reading bloggers and reporters that actually follow Colorado politics on a daily basis, and listening to what my friends and neighbors in Colorado have to say about it.

                  Here's a little more on why Hick is a lock:

                  The business community loves him - he is one of theirs. And, guess who is going to bat for the GOP pitch to get the 2016 GOP convention in Denver? Hick. And he has presided over an economy that now has a sub 6% unemployment rate, and is being voted by many natioanl financial mags as a top place to start a small business as well as a top place to live.

                  The oil and gas industry loves him - he is one of theirs. "You can drink fracking fluid and it doesn't harm you." That's a Hick quote.

                  Dems legalized pot and will raise $100 million in taxes for those sales for school construction/job creation/substance abuse/mental health treatment

                  The sane members of the Colorado GOP despise the Tea Party crazies whose only selling point is ban abortion and guns for everyone.

                  There is not a GOP moderate in this race - they are all right wing loons, are ethically challenged, or are just plain out of their league. Tancredo is the only one with wide name recognition because the others either live in Timbuktuu and/or are being investigated for ethics violations and/or have had run-ins with the law, and/or support "personhood".

                  You have a distorted view of Colorado politics because you don't realize that guns just aren't as big of an issue as you make them out to be.

                  Believe it or not, people want jobs, clean air and water, and they want right wing loons out of their vaginas more than they care about guns.

                  "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

                  by We Shall Overcome on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 02:18:02 PM PST

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                  •  Well why not? (0+ / 0-)

                    That worked out so well for you last time.

                    Tancredo is the only one with wide name recognition
                     Name recognition isn't the name of the game in an election where the incumbent has more voters that think the incumbent should lose his job.
                    Lack of baggage is.
                    Again, basic politics.

                    This is a race in Colorado.
                    There shouldn't be. There are no elections easier for incumbents than mid-term elections, but because of the fact that more voters want him to lose his job, resources will have to be spent here to try to keep him in office.
                    Again, basic politics.

                    Voters decide who wins elections; not 'the business community', not oil & gas--voters.
                    More voters think he should lose his job than keep it.
                    Morse, Giron & Hudak had far more money and far more name recognition than their opponents.
                    Do tell, how did that work out for them?

                    Giron's district went for Obama by 19 points.
                    The entire state of Colorado only went for Obama by 5. Giron lost despite having a district that went for Obama four times as strongly as the state as a whole.

                    You have a distorted view of Colorado politics
                    Then it is all the more impressive that my predictions on Colorado has been far more accurate than your own.

                    Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                    by FrankRose on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 03:05:37 PM PST

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                    •  Correction - that strawman you keep referring to: (1+ / 0-)
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                      Glen The Plumber
                      Then it is all the more impressive that my predictions on Colorado has been far more accurate than your own.
                      ... is just that - a strawman, that you set up and knock down in order to create another nice piece of SPAM you can repeat over and over ... apparently for your own benefit because no one at DKos  buys anything you write in the comments:

                      http://www.dailykos.com/...

                      The fact is - I never "predicted" the results of the recalls.

                      I said they would be a tough and worthy fight.

                      You on the other hand cheer led the Koch Bros./John Birch Society/NRA funded groups that drove the recalls. Interesting company you keep.

                      The governor's race on the other hand is a different story.

                      I'm happy to predict Hickenlooper will win - the economy is humming, the public coffers are full, the GOP already got to shoot down a big liberal tax increase. There's no reason to change course, especially given the lack of any real candidate in the GOP field.

                      I enjoy reading your attempts to sound like you know Colorado politics but it's weak tea - clearly someone pretending to understand what's going on.

                      "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

                      by We Shall Overcome on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 03:25:52 PM PST

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