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  •  i'm not sure i get the point (5+ / 0-)

    o'donnell was ripping on the police for their attacks on occupy protesters, even said that you could watch the entire video and not find one protester doing anything that would justify arrest.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 06:30:40 AM PST

    •  That's the old (8+ / 0-)

      "then" video. The "now" video is the one she links to, in which O'Donnell blasts Snowden for failing to speak out against Putin, the man currently protecting it from the U.S. national security state and decades in prison.

      Let's make a deal: the U.S. government announces that it won't press charges against Snowden and allows him to come home. Then at that pooint if Snowden doesn't condemn Putin's attacks on whistleblowers and other abuses, then O'Donnell and other can call him a hypocrite.

      Pretty disgusting spectacle: millionaire journalists who have never risked anything - and who generally don't speak out against their own government -- judging a man do what he can to stay safe and free as the most powerful government in the world seeks his arrest.

      •  separate issues (0+ / 0-)

        i'm guessing o'donnell would say he's being consistent in denouncing police brutality. and he is. the first video has nothing to do with o'donnell's attempt to tie in snowden. i think it muddies the argument.

        the real question is whether snowden has been supportive of putin. i've seen no evidence of that. as far as i can tell, snowden ended up in russia because he had nowhere else to go, but that doesn't mean he supports putin. as far as i can tell, snowden has been seeking a safe haven elsewhere, but hasn't found a way to get to one. but i don't see how the first video helps make the case that o'donnell is making a bizarre stretch on snowden.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 06:54:30 AM PST

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        •  He's made some pro forma (8+ / 0-)

          pro-Putin comments, the way someone who needed protection would. Lotta liberals are unwilling, unable to appreciate the real danger he's in. Or maybe they want to see him suffer. Hence the calls for him to come home and face the music. Periodic reminder: he would be regarded as a hero by all liberals if Bush were president.

          •  Frankly I don't (0+ / 0-)

            give a fuck who is president.  

            I'm tired of hearing that.  

            It smacks of a great deal of disrespect and is dog whistle for "cult of personality" bullshit.

            Enough already.  Can we please drop the roxx crap?

            Anyone who isn't 100% on board with Snowden must be in delusional for Obama?

            Seriously?

            It isn't even logical.  One has nothing to do with the other.

            •  Well okay (4+ / 0-)

              If Bush were president, there might still be a smattering of authoritarian liberals sdefending the NSA, but the vast majority would be hailing Snowden for bringing its abuses to light.

              •  Perhaps (0+ / 0-)

                but where are all of these liberals that are defending the NSA?

                •  Right now they're distracted by the (3+ / 0-)
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                  urgent task of defending HRC's God given right to usher in eight more years of government by Goldman Sachs.

                  In 2006 Obama explicitly ruled out a 2008 run for president and declared he would remain in the senate until his term expired in 2010. Encouraging Elizabeth Warren to run in 2016 is the right thing to do.

                  by WisePiper on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 07:49:45 AM PST

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                  •  Wow, (0+ / 0-)

                    don't know any of them either.

                    I am hoping for someone other than Hilary, to tell you the truth.  She seems competent but I don't get the "right of ascension" thing.

                    The issue is conflating less than 100% approval of Snowden with over the top love of Obama, which makes no sense unless the intent is to be insulting.

                    Likewise, less than 100% approval of Snowden has been conflated with 'defending' the NSA.

                    Also completely specious.  

                    •  Heh (0+ / 0-)

                      turns out if you google "rite of ascension" you are greeted with articles about Klingon pain sticks.

                      Call me a geek and I'll be happy.

                      What I meant was attitude that Hilary is entitled (has the "right") to (ascend to) the Presidency for some reason.  

                      As I said, she's competent but too far to the right for me so I don't really understand the enthusiasm for her being in the WH.  Don't we want someone more liberal?

                      I do.

          •  merkel would gain some crediblity (0+ / 0-)

            if she'd let him land in germany.

            The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

            by Laurence Lewis on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 07:04:45 AM PST

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          •  The "danger" he is in (0+ / 0-)

            is of his own devising. No one knew or cared about him before he decided to load up 4 government laptops with classified documents and flee the country with it...and then compound things by gloating that he sought that job solely for the purposes of having access to classified information... and now he's shocked that the US government does not particularly cotton to such behavior and cannot figure why they are being so mean to him to want to incarcerate him for a very long time...

            Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

            by awesumtenor on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 07:32:34 AM PST

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          •  And we chased him there. (1+ / 0-)
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            "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

            by LaFeminista on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 08:29:13 AM PST

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            •  Apparently so that we could make attacks (0+ / 0-)

              on Snowden's moral credibility, since that's the only remotely positive thing the U.S. government gets out of having him there.

              Brilliant f**king foreign policy/security, fellas.

              I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

              by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 10:35:32 AM PST

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        •  See Mark Lippman's comment above (0+ / 0-)

          re: what Snowden did in his first press conference last July.

          I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 10:34:06 AM PST

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    •  No where the confusion occured is him trying (1+ / 0-)
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      to read Snowden's mind and the reason why he had to triangulate, i.e. our dear government cutting off every line of escape by hounding him to ground.

      "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

      by LaFeminista on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 08:28:31 AM PST

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