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  •  Bay of Pigs was 50 years ago (1+ / 0-)
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    And it paled with what Russia did in Eastern Europe after WWII, controlling the entire region and making sure that even the slightest hint of change (Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968) was brutally suppressed. It's not like the U.S. is innocent here, but Russia is an entirely different league. The Iraq war wasn't justified, but the country had been a pariah state for more than a decade before the war.

    I agree that Chile, Guatemala etc were more subtle examples of pressure.

    •  Certainly Saddam Hussein was a complete a$%ole (2+ / 0-)
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      But we supported him when he went to war with Iran where the CIA had a long history.

      The Soviet Union was a completely totalitarian empire.  Trust me, I have my Cold War credentials. But it is not like we were sinless throughout our history and during the Cold War and even recently.

      Chile, Nicaragua, Panama, Dominican Republic were not so subtle.  Even Cuba before Castro was a victim of our imperialist tendencies.

      We have improved since Vietnam to a degree even though much of the military/industrial complex is champing at the bit about Iran.  We stayed out of Syria not for lack of trying.

      So yes, we can teach Russia how to become less disliked by neighbors but we should do it like a recovering alcoholic to a new member of Alcoholic Anonymous not like a school child.

      And let's not go into the Snowden affair.  Europe and Latin America are moving away since the disclosures and specially since the diversion of the Bolivian President's plane.

      We are not as bad a serial killer as Russia but we have been one.  And we should remember how important the Soviet Union was in WWII.  With no Soviet Union the nazis would still rule Europe, D Day would have been a disaster and using nukes in Europe too.

      I think we should not speak as some sort of virgin when we have worked at a bordello.

      And I apologize for calling you a newbie.

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      by Shockwave on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 09:43:08 AM PST

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