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  •  The real need is for Roman Catholics to stand up (17+ / 0-)

    and demand change for the protection of children in the church.  No president can tell the pope what to do, it is the Roman Catholic people who must take up this cause and make change, they are the only ones who can.

    •  I didn't say the pres. should tell the pope what (6+ / 0-)

      to do - just cancel his meeting in view of the Vatican response to the UN Committee.
      What you probably don't know is that the only time the Vatican got nervous is when Irish Prime Minister Enda Kenney closed their embassy to the Holy See. The threat that other gov'ts might to the same scared the Vatican.
      FYI Many Catholics do stand up. They have petitioned Pope Francis to remove Archbishop Myers and Bishop Finn with no result. Believe me, only an "international incident" will pierce the carefully constructed PR armor around this pontiff.

      •  They could stop going (5+ / 0-)

        I'm thinking empty pews and empty collection baskets might make them nervous too.

        When truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

        by Sun dog on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 05:49:12 AM PST

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        •  I agree Sun dog but what do they know now they (1+ / 0-)
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          haven't known for the past ten years.

          •  I don't know (3+ / 0-)

            Honestly I'm pretty baffled by it all and I don't mean that in a glib, impersonal way.  My family has been Catholic all the way back to the old country and I was raised in the Church, including 12 years of parochial school.  And yes, one of the priests from when I was a kid was arrested for molesting children.  It's not known publicly if it happened at our school because he was busted later at a new parish but the ostrich head in the sand response to this revelation didn't do much for my already jaded feelings about the Church.  

            When truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

            by Sun dog on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 06:17:22 AM PST

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      •  The President absolutely should tell the Pope (1+ / 0-)
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        what to do on this issue. We are not discussing married priests (who are well known in the fact-based world, as are Catholic priests "living in sin" with the knowledge and tacit approval of congregations and bishops) or Catholic practice on birth control (where American Catholics feel free to ignore Church teaching), but egregious felonies on the part of the Pope's people.

        Nixon went to China, and frequently told off Soviet and Red Chinese leadership. Why does the Pope get a pass?

        Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

        by Mokurai on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 07:35:14 AM PST

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    •  Interesting point. (4+ / 0-)
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      Faithful Catholics, as I understand it, were responsible for publicizing the church's sex-abuse scandal to begin with.

      It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

      by karmsy on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 05:55:02 AM PST

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    •  No, the real need is for everyone else to stand up (1+ / 0-)
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      and say no to this global fraud.

      Jorge Mario Bergoglio has a lot more to answer for. In 1987, when Argentina's legislature was considering legalization of divorce (that's right, it wasn;t legal prior to then), the Catholic Church threatened to excommunicate legislators who voted for it. One bishop actually did excommunicate legislators within his territory.

      •  I agree roberb 7 but one world leader taking a (2+ / 0-)
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        stand would make a difference. I also agree that in so many, many, ways Bergoglio is a fraud. His opposition to same sex marriage (which he called the Work of the Devil) his testimony before a commission on the Dirty War and his non-apology for the Catholic Church's role in that horrendous era.

         

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