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  •  That is at least a theoretical possibility. (4+ / 0-)

    Eastern Ukraine is historically culturally and economically oriented toward Russia. There has been a geographic element in the political battles. They way things have been headed, the practical politics for it don't look especially bright.

    •  False (0+ / 0-)

      The allegiance run both ways throughout the country with different regions having different majority views. There is an even greater divide in the "Russian" areas between the older residents who long for the certainties of the Soviet Union and the young who are more western orientated having grown up in an independent country.

      Putin is desperate to keep Ukraine in Russia's thrall for many reasons. It is the last of two remaining buffer states to the West - repression in Belarus is such that nobody has yet dared to make the sort of challenge we see in Ukraine. The country is also vital for his plans to revive Comecon  as his huge bribe to join his free trade area shows. (Part of the reason dates back to the Soviet era where the different republics specialized on certain products. .e.g the USSR exported 35mm SLR cameras made just outside Moscow and in Belarus. Larger format cameras were made in Kiev in Ukraine.)

      Putin also realizes that Russia has perhaps a 25-30 year window of influence over the EU and its European client states as their dependence on Russian oil and gas is replaced by renewables and new nuclear (whether tritium based fission or fusion).

      "Come to Sochi, visit the gay clubs and play with the bears" - NOT a Russian advertising slogan.

      by Lib Dem FoP on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 08:50:32 AM PST

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      •  I said (2+ / 0-)
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        Ezekiel in Exile, Wreck Smurfy

        Historically. This is your usual EU spin machine.

        •  As opposed to (0+ / 0-)

          your spin machine that relied on bribes from the Ukrainian oligarchs paying off right wing "commentators" to repeat their talking points including that the former President is imprisoned for a sweetheart deal with Putin over gas (an imprisonment widely condemned by Human Rights organizations). Yet we find the same thing happening with the Russian danegelt in the form of loans doled out in dribs and drabs to keep the vassel in line.

          There was a diary on here last night regarding these bribes or rather the "pay to repeat our talking points" payments made to "promote" the country.

          "Come to Sochi, visit the gay clubs and play with the bears" - NOT a Russian advertising slogan.

          by Lib Dem FoP on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 09:56:05 AM PST

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      •  And the more countries along the pipelines (2+ / 0-)
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        the more money Russia has to pay to get their natural gas to market in the EU. I'm reminded of the twenty something castles up and down the Rhine. Each one gets their cut of the trade and supports a state.

        If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

        by AoT on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 09:00:16 AM PST

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        •  why does South Sudan even exist, (1+ / 0-)
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          if not because of petro-politics?

          I've often wondered how much the Scottish separatist movement owes to the support of fossil fuel companies. Surely the ability for oil and NG companies to completely bypass British environmental and financial laws and write their own under an independent Scottish government is a powerful attraction. I have no doubt the companies would get much more favorable terms in an independent Scotland than in the UK.

          "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

          by limpidglass on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 11:42:06 AM PST

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