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  •  Stand your ground law for religion (12+ / 0-)

    "The bill would, in other words, adopt the plaintiffs’ position in the two cases before the Supreme Court that a for-profit corporation can practice religion and that a corporation’s faith can trump its obligation to follow the law."   Source.

    This is the "stand your ground law" for religion.  Corporations (which are now people that can have religious views) can discriminate against any thing or anyone they fear, whether or not there is any reason for actual fear.  

    And it is also a way around civil rights for minorities: " she  was an evangelical and I feared her snake oil (and she was black)" .  We will have lunch counters segregated on the basis of "religion".

    The Bible is a book of conclusions seeking unquestioning believers. Science is a "book" of questions seeking skeptics with more questions. -Zed Mont

    by sailmaker on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 11:22:39 AM PST

    •  Heck, under this law (5+ / 0-)

      you could have a business refuse to hire minorities because they believe in the separation of the races...or you could even have a minority-owned business refuse to hire white people. Now wouldn't that cause some head explosions over at FAUX Snooze?

      There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

      by Cali Scribe on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 11:54:17 AM PST

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    •  Legal question: (5+ / 0-)

      It seems to me that the phrasing of the bill doesn't just allow discrimination against people of other religions, but also against people of the SAME religion who do anything that somebody somewhere says goes against it.  Wouldn't that mean any Democrat can refuse to serve any Republican, simply because Republicans wallow in the sins of Mammon and blood-lust?  Couldn't I just say "You violate my religion"?  Can I refuse to pay my cable company because they broadcast news from Arizona?  

      •  I am not a lawyer (2+ / 0-)
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        My source, ThinkProgress.org as linked above, thinks that the effects will be far reaching if it reaches the SCOTUS), both positive (women's health care, and maybe even "are corporations actually people"), and negative (legalized discrimination against anyone or anything if the SCOTUS rules badly).

        Arizona is likely to give many business sweeping new rights to discriminate against LGBT people. Yet, by calling attention to the link anti-gay groups hope to forge between “religious liberty” and a right to anti-gay discrimination, this bill could unintentionally wind up advancing the cause of women’s health and potentially even rescue LGBT people from similar efforts to protect discrimination in the future. Or, to be more precise, it could have that effect if Justice Anthony Kennedy is paying attention to what’s going on in Arizona.

        The Bible is a book of conclusions seeking unquestioning believers. Science is a "book" of questions seeking skeptics with more questions. -Zed Mont

        by sailmaker on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 12:14:30 PM PST

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      •  They can refuse you service (0+ / 0-)

        in accordance with Mammonic principle.

        Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

        by Mokurai on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 02:41:22 PM PST

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    •  As long as corporations are chattels (2+ / 0-)
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      sailmaker, PSzymeczek

      they are incapable of Free Speech. All of their speech is compelled by owners and management. If they want to engage in political speech, those owners and managers should have to abide by the 13th amendment and cease to hold the corporations as slaves. They can be reconstituted as non-profits, and abide by the legal limitations on them.

      If a corporation wants to exercise Freedom of Religion, let it find a church that will accept it as a member, and that publishes its doctrines for all to see. First Amalgamated Church of Mammon, anybody? Also, can my corporation register as a pacifist and refuse to pay taxes for the military?

      Where is Futurama when we need it? They only got as far as robot churches.

      Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

      by Mokurai on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 02:39:46 PM PST

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