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  •  What's a tax felon? nt (0+ / 0-)
    •  Spent time in prison for tax evasion? n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      •  Felons aren't allowed to own firearms usually. (2+ / 0-)
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        Hence my question.

        •  Gottlieb appealed his felony conviction (3+ / 0-)

          and retained his RTKBA.

          KV, this gent is a real jewell. But like yourself he doesn't have much of a foundation.

          He needs better material, if he preaches the gospel of John Lott  on-camera. Wow, see 11:02.

          KV, Lott's study (and the entire premise of "More Guns, Less Crime") is so flawed that Lott removed his name from that study.

          Want to discuss Gary Kleck next?

          Your reverence for guns (and their "enshrinement") and your 24-7 defense of them on Dkos must have earned you a certain status within the gun community. Maybe you're the one to tell Mr. Gottlieb to avoid quoting John  Lott.

          Very sorry, but more guns equals more mayhem.

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          by reasonablegunsplz on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 07:05:35 PM PST

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          •  John Lott...aka Mary Rosh... (2+ / 0-)
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            In the course of a dispute with Otis Dudley Duncan in 1999–2000,[58][59] Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.[60] However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,[61] the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place,[62] but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash

            In response to the dispute surrounding the missing survey, Lott created and used "Mary Rosh" as a sock puppet to defend his own works on Usenet and elsewhere. After investigative work by blogger Julian Sanchez, Lott admitted to use of the Mary Rosh persona.[62] Sanchez also pointed out that Lott, posing as Rosh, not only praised his own academic writing, but also called himself "the best professor I ever had".

            Many commentators and academics accused Lott of violating academic integrity, noting that he praised himself while posing as one of his former students,[71][72] and that "Rosh" was used to post a favorable review of More Guns, Less Crime on Amazon.com. Lott has claimed that the "Rosh" review was written by his son and wife.

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            ...besides that fact that his numbers are absurd.

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            by Glen The Plumber on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 07:42:15 PM PST

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          •  Except it really doesn't. If more guns equals (0+ / 0-)

            more mayhem, you'd think violent crime numbers would be increasing since the mid 1980s. Homicides would be skyrocketing.

            But you don't see that. While I don't think that more guns = less crime, it does not seem like more guns = more crime either.

            •  Homicide numbers down? Thanks, Docs! (2+ / 0-)
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              The injury numbers are up.
              The problem is actually worse.

              In 2010, guns took the lives of 31,076 Americans in homicides, suicides and unintentional shootings.  This is the equivalent of more than 85 deaths each day and more than three deaths each hour.1
              73,505 Americans were treated in hospital emergency departments for non-fatal gunshot wounds in 2010.2
              And you and I already did this dance twice KV.

              So I repeat, what can you do to significantly reduce the U.S. numbers being 19.5 times worse than other high-income nations?

              Aren't you embarrassed, just repeating your dangerous position?

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              by reasonablegunsplz on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 02:49:58 PM PST

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              •  KV, the figures for 2010 are consistent w this: (2+ / 0-)
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                It's an increasing problem, my friend:

                Between 2000 and 2008 a total of 617,488 people suffered nonfatal gunshot injuries in the United States. This averages to about 68,610 persons per year. In 2008, however―a year in which gun deaths totaled 31,593, only slightly above the period’s average―another 78,622 were shot but did not die, a figure markedly above the period’s average. Most striking, the total number of people shot in 2008 totaled 110,215―the highest total recorded during the nine-year period. 3

                Why have gun deaths remained fairly constant even though the total number of people shot is increasing? The answer is that improved emergency services and better medical care are saving lives that would otherwise be lost to guns.

                The authors of a landmark study in 2002 on the relationship between murder and medicine concluded that advances in emergency services―including the 911 system and establishment of trauma centers―as well as better surgical techniques have suppressed the homicide rate. They concluded that “…without these developments in medical technology there would have been between 45,000 and 70,000 homicides annually the past 5 years instead of an actual 15,000 to 20,000.”4

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                by reasonablegunsplz on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 03:05:15 PM PST

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              •  Reasonable - link doesn't work (0+ / 0-)

                (Some in the diary need fixing too).

                We'd like to republish this tomorrow evening or Wednesday evening at our usual time (~8-10 pm eastern). Are you available either of those times to chat with guests?

                Check your Kosmail please.

                "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” — William Arthur Ward

                by LilithGardener on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 05:13:07 PM PST

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                •  Link problem must be operator error. (2+ / 0-)
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                  I'll go to work on it.

                  Certainly, if you think the diary is worth sharing within FLAP, I'll figure it out. Yes, I can be available.

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                  by reasonablegunsplz on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 07:24:09 PM PST

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                  •  I'll walk you through the process (1+ / 0-)
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                    Let's do this about 8pm Eastern tomorrow.

                    It starts with the edit button at the bottom of your diary. When you press and scroll down to the bottom, it you'll have an option on the right, "unpublish."

                    You press that and it will put it back in your queue, and back in the queue for any group that republished it. From their I'll add the group template and can help you fix the links.

                    Then I'll set publish time from the group queue, and send a note out to the other groups announcing the time that we will be republishing it.

                    And yes, our Sunday night readers will want to know this. It's only a matter of time before the next massacre and then there will be a new call for regulation.

                    And, I found the NYTimes OpEd by Levy to be fascinating and hilarious at the same time, particularly the changes he thought were needed and his exhortation that gun owners should support UBCs if they get those changes.

                    "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” — William Arthur Ward

                    by LilithGardener on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 07:56:22 PM PST

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              •  And we can go about it the same way again. (0+ / 0-)

                I don't count suicides. If you want to end your life, I believe that's your right.

                Secondly, what's the rate? Not the total numbers, the rates.

                I've already suggested firearm specific measures (and non-firearm specific measures) that would cut back on all violent crime and firearm related violent crime. And suicides.

                •  If you don't count gun suicides they still exist. (2+ / 0-)
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                  Guns, and the enormity of their damage, are a community matter.

                  Think of impulsive teen suicides. Think of the revulsion towards guns which surviving family members feel. Think of the blatant, intrusive callousness of the NRA to interfere with the medical community's input towards depressed patients.  Hell, I've worked in the insurance repair business, Mr. Voimakis: take a moment and think of the cleanup crews.

                  You mentioned this to the wrong guy. I lost a childhood neighbor buddy to suicide by hunting rifle: he was laughing and running, then he was suddenly dead. I was not convinced then, and am not convinced now, that it was meant to be.  RIP Pat Kunkel.

                  We lived on orchards literally on the banks of the Columbia River, pretty cool.  But his father had thirty hunting rifles "enshrined" on their back porch.

                  Yup, guns, and the enormity of their damage, are a community matter.

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                  by reasonablegunsplz on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 07:15:16 PM PST

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                  •  You think you're the only one who has family (1+ / 0-)
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                    members who committed suicide with a firearm? I didn't blame the gun then and I don't now.

                    •  Others see it differently, KV (0+ / 0-)

                      The handiness of those guns most certainly played into the sudden non-existence of my pal. He was a cool kid, buddy.

                      The handiness of those guns plays into road rage, and into closing-time bar fights.  And into marital spats. And into common flashes of temper. They are a foul mechanism often used for foul purposes, with foul outcomes.

                      Guns are considered an "agent" of violence in any gun violence incident by public health professionals. Because that's what they are.

                      The enormity of this problem is grotesquely twisting the ethics of the USA in my opinion: the 2nd A and SYG are skewing one of the Ten Commandments. This is pretty basic stuff within civilization, even if not within morality, KV.

                      It's Sunday. Have you visited your gun shrine yet?

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                      by reasonablegunsplz on Sun Feb 23, 2014 at 09:06:34 AM PST

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                •  Not counting suicides is the only way to make (1+ / 0-)
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                  your math work. That's not the way math works.

                  Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

                  by 88kathy on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 09:03:47 PM PST

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      •  according to the google...yes... (4+ / 0-)

        he served prison time for it back in the 80's...rabid gun-nut...and of course anti-environmental too...what a loon.

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        by Glen The Plumber on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 05:34:36 PM PST

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