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  •  Traffic stats will probably dispute that. (3+ / 0-)
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    •  Well, from a pedestrian standpoint, (2+ / 0-)
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      mungley, thanatokephaloides

      I referenced an article in the prior diary on this subject that a Seattle study found jaywalkers were not a problem - older folks and those with handicaps impairing their mobility were the segments most involved in pedestrian accidents - regardless of whether they were using crossing lanes or not.

      Cars have been given ownership of many modern cities and towns, with pedestrians being second thoughts in such designs.  So, anyone who potentially slows the anticipation of flow is more likely to become a victim of the expectations given to drivers by traffic flow.

      "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

      by wader on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 08:37:35 AM PST

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    •  Running red lights causes more accidents (2+ / 0-)
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      JeffW, thanatokephaloides

      than speeding does. It's hard to image anyone thinking otherwise.

      •  Drivers run red lights all the time (3+ / 0-)
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        If I stand at a busy traffic light at rush hour I'll see drivers run red lights. The light will turn red, and they'll still continue through it.  And that happens every light cycle, with one or two cars. So don't pretend that running red lights is something only cyclists do.

        •  I don't recall pretending that (2+ / 0-)
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          To repeat: "Running red lights causes more accidents than speeding does. It's hard to image (sic) anyone thinking otherwise." Nope. No mention of cyclists or drivers in those sentences.

          •  More people speed than run red lights. (0+ / 0-)

            The stats are on my side - more people have accidents from speeding than running red lights.

            •  More people die at home... (1+ / 0-)
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              k88dad

              than die in auto accidents.  The simple fact is that every time a person drives 5 or so mph over the speed limit is not even close to the risk factor that running a red light, even in the middle of the night when there are fewer cars on the road.

              You are trying to equate 5-10 mph over to the same risk factor as 30+ over the speed limit in a specious attempt to conflate and obfuscate that dangerous behavior by pedestrians and bicyclists is in some way excusable because some others exhibit dangerous behaviors and that all run equivalent risks to harming the self or others.

              Try driving here in Buffalo sometime.  Just pick a day not during the winter.  If anyone tries to tell me again that Buffalonians know how to drive in winter conditions again, I will laugh in their faces.

              A person's character is measured by how they treat everyone. Not just your pet group.

              by Tempus Figits on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 07:19:15 PM PST

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    •  Not on this one. (0+ / 0-)

      It is far more dangerous to run a red light, whether in a motor vehicle, self powered vehicle or simply walking than going 5-10 mph over the speed limit.  Going 30+ or so would probably be a viable argument but it still would be close to the stupidity of running a red light.  Especially since sight lines at intersections is often blocked by buildings, fences, hedges and parked vehicles.

      A person's character is measured by how they treat everyone. Not just your pet group.

      by Tempus Figits on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 07:08:41 PM PST

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