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  •  Unprecedented (0+ / 0-)

    The way I see it, the country who lost almost 7 million in the war against Nazis, to have 8% of the parliament to be Nazis is pretty unprecedented

    •  They are typical western Ukrainian nationalists. (0+ / 0-)

      Nothing unprecedented about that. I'm not exactly a fan but they are not nazis.

    •  You know the history of western Ukraine, right? (0+ / 0-)

      I mean in terms of the Nazis? It's more unexpected that it took them this long.  They've had problems with this even before Svoboda started winning seats.

      The problem with Svoboda isn't that they're neo-Nazis, although some of them undoubtedly are.  The problem is that they're hypernationalists, and even though they've "softened" their platform over the last few years, they're fundamentally an exclusionary party.   They've been whipping up more support in the riots, unfortunately.

      Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

      by pico on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 10:46:12 PM PST

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      •  Please pay attention, they are not insignificant (1+ / 0-)
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        In his interview with TIME, Yarosh, whose militant brand of nationalism rejects all foreign influence over Ukrainian affairs, revealed for the first time that Pravy Sektor has amassed a lethal arsenal of weapons. He declined to say exactly how many guns they have. “It is enough,” he says, “to defend all of Ukraine from the internal occupiers” — by which he means the ruling government — and to carry on the revolution if negotiations with that government break down.
        Yarosh is 42, he has a regular Soviet high school in a central Ukrainian city of Dneprodzerzhinsk and two years of military service in the Soviet army behind him. Soon upon his return from the army in 1991, he founded his nationalist group Trizub (this word is the Ukrainian for the English Trident). One could call this organization just a patriotic group, bearing in mind that a trident is a Ukrainian national emblem. The problem was that Trizub from the start bore the name of an extremist Ukrainian nationalist, Stepan Bandera. This person became a cult figure in modern Ukrainian ultra-right groups, because he helped Hitler’s army to evict the Red Army from Ukraine during the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941. One more reason for Yarosh’s adoration for Bandera is the latter’s adoration for the so called “national revolution” in Ukraine.
        The West, including both the US and the EU, developed a sort of “cult” of the Ukrainian so called “orange” revolution since 2005, when it helped to bring pro-Western Viktor Yushchenko to power in Ukraine. So, both Washington and Brussels might be unpleasantly surprised to find out that in Yarosh’s opinion, “national revolution” is impossible without violence and that it should lead to a “purely Ukrainian” state with the capital in Kiev. The other stated aim of the “national revolution” – destruction of what Yarosh calls the Russian empire, might be more to the West’s liking. Yarosh explains his hatred for this so called Russian empire very simply: with that empire in place, Ukraine will never be totally independent.
        •  Granted, Praviy Sektor party is not Svoboda party (1+ / 0-)
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          But they are aligned.

          •  Pravy Sektor or Right Sector have been even (0+ / 0-)

            more violent in the protests. They are aligned only so far as to overthrow the government.

            Profile: Ukraine's 'Right Sector' movement

            To communicate with its supporters, the Right Sector uses the website of the nationalist organisation Trident, and pages on Facebook and the social network Vkontakte.

            Most of its activists have a negative attitude towards Russia's government and are against Ukraine joining the Customs Union.

            But unlike other protesters in Independence Square, most of the Right Sector activists do not support the idea of joining the EU, which they consider to be an "oppressor of European nations".

            The organisation believes the current situation is an opportunity "to destroy the state skeleton" and start building a new state.

            The Right Sector does not associate itself with the parliamentary opposition parties, including the nationalist Svoboda, which it considers to be too liberal and conformist.

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