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  •  They may not be a growing political force but... (21+ / 0-)

    ...they seem quite committed and organized and without their support the GOP would win no elections at any level.

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    by Shockwave on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 07:06:58 AM PST

    •  The organization and committment is (11+ / 0-)

      clear and unmistakable. But these are contemporary vestiges of what I believe will, in a generation, will no longer exist or look as they do today.

      "If the Jew who struggles for justice for Palestine is considered anti-Semitic, & if Palestinians seeking self-determination are so accused...then no oppositional move can take place w/o risking the accusation." - Judith Butler

      by David Harris Gershon on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 07:11:05 AM PST

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      •  You're correct there (2+ / 0-)
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        but I worry about the damage being done while these old bigots die out and the next generation takes the reins.

        Yes, I am psychic...or was that psycho? I always forget which.

        by Farradin on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 08:17:57 AM PST

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        •  Life Expectancy (0+ / 0-)

          With life being prolonged at an ever-increasing rate, the oldies but not goodies might be around for a depressingly long time. I'm one of them, BTW, but a leftie. I'm afraid a lot of damage can be done before they croak (and then, I believe, find out how wrong they were).  Damage is usually more quickly inflicted than repaired.

          My new tagline: If your religion is so easy to swallow, why do you have to try so hard to cram it down my throat?

    •  But, they have lost elections for the GOP. (11+ / 0-)

      Democrats control the Senate right now only because of the  crazy candidates these people have nominated in Republican primaries and the way they have forced some not-quite-as-crazy candidates to act crazy in order to get their support.

      So I see only tatters of clearness through a pervading obscurity - Annie Dillard -6.88, -5.33

      by illinifan17 on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 07:13:11 AM PST

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    •  I hope you're right about them being (11+ / 0-)

      in their death throes, nice thought, but, if true, it's obvious they either haven't got the memo or have decided they aren't going down without a fight.  Alabama and South Carolina legislatures which are both apparently full of religious fanatics are both intent on forcing us all into their  world of make believe.

      Earlier this year, state lawmakers in South Carolina introduced bill H. 3526, which would require teachers to lead a moment of silence at the beginning of each school day. During this moment of silence teachers would be allowed to conduct a prayer, but students would also have the choice to opt out and remove themselves from the classroom. Falling in line with South Caroline, is now the 2nd most religious state in the U.S, Alabama.

      Alabama’s House of Representatives have gone one step further. Instead of calling for a moment of silence, the representatives have pushed a bill through requiring teachers and students in the public schools to spend 15 minutes every morning in CHRISTIAN prayer.

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      by burnt out on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 07:17:01 AM PST

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      •  One of the TX Lt. Gov candidates -- (7+ / 0-)

        I forget which one, there are four -- is running commercials saying that he's the guy responsible for getting that "Moment of Silence" passed in the Texas Lege, as if it's a badge of honor. Barf. Sounds like an ALEC-written boilerplate bill.

        It's a real mess in Texas right now (where I currently live, despite the blog name), and if one of these jerkoffs gets in, there will be four more years of idiocy.

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        by Brooke In Seattle on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 07:45:27 AM PST

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        •  Hi Brooke, you moved to Texas, wow I did not (1+ / 0-)
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          realize that you had moved. I do not want to hijack David's excellent diary. I just wanted to say Hi and see how you are doing.  Were you able to get a job and are things going better for you?  I have been wondering how you were doing.

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          by wishingwell on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:53:17 AM PST

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      •  if so then (5+ / 0-)

        It truly shows as a desperate last gasp, since it can not stand a court challenge which will weaken them more (in the political/social arena.)
        Desperation politics, however cannot be dismissed lightly, how ever.  The more the defeats, the more the feeling of martyrdom and righteousness.  The righteousness is a reward in itself.

      •  If I am not mistaken................ (9+ / 0-)

        this language, "students would also have the choice to opt out and remove themselves from the classroom;"  has been cited as a reason by the SCOTUS for striking down such laws in the past.

        The thinking is that this subjects the objecting students to embarrassment and segregation from their classmates while exercising their civil right and is, thus, unconstitutional. Of course, the "15 minutes every morning in Christian Prayer" is blatantly unconstitutional.

        These may get passed in these states but I doubt they will meet constitutional muster; even in the Roberts SCOTUS.

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        by cazcee on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 07:50:36 AM PST

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        •  As stated above, they don't really care. (9+ / 0-)

          They are looking for points with voters who will support them in the next election.  The politicians will point out how they tried to instill good Christian values in the students or other captive audience and they'll get votes.  There isn't an organized enough outcry from the people who are being forced to be a part of this Christian religion when they might be of another religion or no religion at all to make the lawmakers pay a price for these outrages.  If only there was a way to make them pay a price for wasting time and taxpayer money before they inflict these upon us.

        •  Additionally, teachers will be aware of who (2+ / 0-)
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          opts out, and whether deliberately or unconsciously, that can influence their grading and disciplinary decisions. To have any hope of fairness, you'd have to hold discipline to the standards of a criminal trial and grading to the standards of a clinical trial. Not very practical.

          Unfortunately when smart and educated people get crazy ideas they can come up with plausibly truthy arguments. -- Andrew F Cockburn

          by ebohlman on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 03:36:48 PM PST

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      •  These are last gasp efforts. They are so raw that (0+ / 0-)

        they cannot stand litigation.  And they are getting usually non activist people into actions like Moral Monday.  Whether this will have any effect on the voting patterns among the financial and libertarian crowd I do not know.  That is where elections are own or lost in my opinion.

        Patriotism may be the last refuge of scoundrels, but religion is assuredly the first.

        by StrayCat on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:18:38 AM PST

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