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  •  Bible as a historical document (1+ / 0-)
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    moviemeister is right. If you look at the bible as a code of law, Jesus was basically the Supreme Court who ruled the Old Testament unconstitutional.

    All of our laws are rooted in Judeo-Christian ethics embedded in the New Testament. Thats why Christians no longer fuss about eating shellfish.

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    by fcvaguy on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 04:26:05 AM PST

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    •  ROFL, okay...Jesus, never invalidated the (5+ / 0-)

      old testament.   You still have the right to demand an eye for an eye, but better the man whom turns the other cheek.  Then we have the fact I was taught the 10 commandments in Catholic School, those were written and presented in the Old Testament, not the New T.

      I'm truly surprised you make this claim that our laws are based on the New Testament.  Are we therefore a Christian Nation?

      I'm pretty sure we are not.

      Either way, the fact remains that the concept of the "castle doctrine" was well established "common law" throughout history and existed long before the "evolved" legal theories for "duty to retreat".

      The question I asked if you could provide your references for your claim of 700 yrs for this new belief system. Maybe you've misunderstood the "castle doctrine", which was established in law as such in 1628.

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      by gerrilea on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 08:56:23 AM PST

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      •  Thats why there are so many Christian denomination (0+ / 0-)
        You still have the right to demand an eye for an eye, but better the man whom turns the other cheek.
        Not all Christians believe that, especially Catholics and liberal Protestants. And I don't feel like refighting the Reformation.

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        by fcvaguy on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 09:32:41 AM PST

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        •  I know...they chose whatever words suits them (4+ / 0-)
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          and then make religions out of them...Like the Mormons did.

          Either way, these points are leading us astray.

          I honestly have not found any historical documents whereby "duty to retreat" is older than the concept of "castle doctrine".

          As Wiki points out, "castle doctrine" is at least as old as the Roman Empire...

          -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

          by gerrilea on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 09:44:37 AM PST

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    •  Its not just a historical document (3+ / 0-)
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      It also forms the basis for Jewish Religious law (Halachah) and up until the Napoleonic Era was the basic for civil law in Jewish Communities in much of Europe (the community paid what was essentially a bribe to the local noble to be permitted to exist and manage their own affairs, IIRC).  

      https://en.wikipedia.org/...

      In Haredi communities, even today, it also forms the basis of law except where it conflicts with civil law.  

      Jesus from a Jewish perspective never met the requirements to be the Messiah.  

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      by DavidMS on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 10:16:04 AM PST

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      •  I had forgotten that (1+ / 0-)
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        That's why Catholics and Protestants always tell me that the OT only applies to the Jews. Thanks for the info.

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        by moviemeister76 on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 12:18:39 PM PST

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