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    However, putting a bullet through your heart or head is neither peaceful nor dignified.  It is very violent.  It also bequeaths a lifetime of pain and sadness on surviving loved ones.
    Part of the problem is that even in the face of situations like, " painful incurable illnesses where there is no hope of effective treatment", this country does NOT allow a non violent, humane, option.  

    "It's not surveillance, it's data collection to keep you safe"

    by blackhand on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 12:09:17 PM PDT

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    •  Not in theory, but in practice (5+ / 0-)

      As you point out, the laws of the country do not provide for the legal taking of life, not one's own or anyone else's.

      However, for those people with incurable illnesses, many  physicians will help when asked.   Such help often comes in the form of narcotic medications for patients in pain.

      Of course, if you do not have a life-threatening terminal condition, and you tell your doctor you want to end your life, the doctor will rightly refer you to a psychiatrist.

      "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

      by Hugh Jim Bissell on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 12:24:27 PM PDT

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      •  I guess this is where (6+ / 0-)

        We're going to have to disagree.  I don't believe it is anyone's right to tell me that I have to exist in this world and especially under what conditions.  I most definitely and wholly object when the reasoning is based upon religious convictions.  I see the suicide question as being very related to abortion, where a parent is making the decision to terminate life, or potential life.  

        I don't have a problem with suicide prevention in terms of help being available for those who want it, but I disagree with it being forced upon someone.  This is especially true when "help" is made into a criminal situation.  One could argue that one who wishes to commit suicide is not in a frame of mind to make a reasoned decision on this matter.  Perhaps, perhaps not.

        "It's not surveillance, it's data collection to keep you safe"

        by blackhand on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 12:48:48 PM PDT

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    •  Not true. See Oregon. Nt (5+ / 0-)

      "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” — William Arthur Ward

      by LilithGardener on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 12:33:35 PM PDT

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      •  As an Oregonian, (2+ / 0-)
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        I can tell you the hoops that must be jumped through to get that small bottle of pills is rather staggering.

        The potential availability to an extremely small slice of a small demographic does not mean that humane suicide choices are readily available- even where nominally legal.

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