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  •  let's see: do I trust the Feds more than Ma Bell+ (7+ / 0-)

    to preserve my privacy rights - imagine the partnership between Verizon/ATT/T-Mobile/Sprint and Blackwater/Xe/Academi

    One option would be to discontinue dragnet data collection, and the other three are variations of running it through the telephone companies, and having them store the data.

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    by annieli on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 02:24:55 PM PST

    •  So you can do anything you want. (7+ / 0-)

      You can let the government spy on you or the your ISP/cel provider do it. The choice is yours.

      Sounds like what I do to my dogs.

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      by k9disc on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 02:29:47 PM PST

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    •  What's the difference? (17+ / 0-)

      Contractors and "corporate partners" have access to pretty much anything they want already, and so will the government.  Who "holds" the data is entirely immaterial in a system in which government and corporation are essentially merged.  What do they call that, again?

      How about some vigorous debate and some transparency from the government about what they're actually doing, since we know a good bit of it already?  How about enforcing the law and sending Keith Alexander and James Clapper to the slammer for lying to Congress?  How about our Democratic administration act just slightly more concerned about civil liberties and following the Constitution than the George W. F****ing Bush administration?  How about we follow the black letter meaning of the Fourth Amendment?

      Can those possibilities be entertained?

      We have always been at war with al Qaeda.

      by Dallasdoc on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 02:33:57 PM PST

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    •  The problem is that the national security state (8+ / 0-)

      has merged with corporations and one of the things they are doing is using the data they are gleaning from the surveillance in order to build detailed dossiers on people who have committed no crimes and have demonstrated no probable cause for investigation... They are then using these dossiers to target these law-abiding citizens and organizations in order to disrupt their organizing efforts.

    •  Today, WH just asked to hold onto call records... (9+ / 0-)


      Obama Officials Seek to Hold NSA Phone Records Longer

      Say Data Needed in Lawsuits Challenging Such Surveillance
      By Devlin Barrett
      Updated Feb. 26, 2014 4:39 p.m. ET

      The Obama administration has asked a special court for approval to hold on to National Security Agency phone records for a longer period—an unintended consequence of lawsuits seeking to stop the data-surveillance program.

      The Wall Street Journal reported last week that the Justice Department was considering such a move, which would end up expanding the controversial phone records database by not deleting older call records.

      Under the current system, the database is purged of phone records more than five years old. The Justice Department, in a filing made public Wednesday, said it needs to hold on to the older records as evidence in lawsuits brought by the American Civil Liberties Union, Electronic Frontier Foundation, and others.

      Under the proposal made to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the older data would continue to be held, but NSA analysts would not be allowed to search it.

      Justice Department lawyers filed the request Tuesday night, and it was made public Wednesday…

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      by bobswern on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 03:33:21 PM PST

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      •  So, they (0+ / 0-)

        should just destroy them despite the lawsuits by the ACLU, EFF and others?
        If they destroy this evidence, will you come howling down on the govt for destroying evidence?

        Just checking....what should they do here?

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