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  •  Distraction Is The Name of the Game (31+ / 0-)

    Who is the sucker?

    Let's remember that as long as Americans are fighting each other over who can get married, and which religion is more moral, then Americans will not be thinking about how the wealthy and the corporations now run the government and decide the laws.

    These fights are largely engineered by the wealthy powers-that-be so that they can be left in peace and continue to amass more wealth and power for themselves, while everyone else fights amongst themselves.  

    "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

    by Hugh Jim Bissell on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 09:54:38 AM PST

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    •  except when it turns out (1+ / 0-)
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      that the same gazillionaires are the money-bags behind both the anti-gay and anti-abortion frenzies, and the economic wealth-grabs.

      So yes, they may be promoting the "social issues" campaigns as a way to distract people from their economic stealth projects. But tracking back the astroturf and the complicated network of inbred SuperPACS and think tanks and all that, may show more links than the "religious vs. economic" divide would show.

    •  broadening past the Kos community (2+ / 0-)
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      These articles feel easy to me -- it simultaneously mocks people whose economics I don't like, and the people whose personal beliefs (and willingness to shove those beliefs on other people) don't match mine or the typical reader here, and don't ask anything challenging of me.  But we're missing, we're not making a habit, of doing politics rather than self-congratulating about what we see as deficiencies in the people we oppose. This is not an article I can share with a well-intentioned person who gives to charity but has for half a century believed that gay sex is a sin that harms the soul of the person.  The hard question for progressives is how do we build bridges to people we really, really disagree with who are nonetheless decent people, without changing policy (I don't think it's good to trade gay-marriage for a higher minimum wage) but perhaps changing our attitude and mockery.  This article ends, rather than beginning, with the idea that these fights are engineered by the wealthy powers-that-be to keep us fighting among ourselves.  I want an article I could share with a social-conservative church-goer in Arizona that doesn't mock him or her, but sympathetically invites them to pull their church back to church, to believe what they believe and also believe it's not their job to judge or use the government to judge, to realize that by their own values they're making a deal with the devil, when we and they could be dealing with good people with different ideas but shared compassion for other human beings.  

      •  Anyone still thinking in those terms (2+ / 0-)

        is probably not reachable anyway; it's not as if this is a new problem or argument to have. The thing is, people want to believe in, and vote for, people who are not compromising and continually explaining their values in a sympathetic manner as I think you suggest. They want forceful explanations, not polite ones, if any at all. Those who think in the terms as you describe them are already on our side, and any outliers (those who don't align with us but are "persuadable"--which doesn't really match what we know of most/all Republicans left in the party, or the chimerical "independents") aren't numerically worth the sacrifice in clarity we have to make to craft that appeal.
        Cool kids aren't desirable as friends/partners because they take the time to explain what makes them cool, let alone good, people. They are cool because of how they act, not what they believe, and a large part of their cohort wants to be them or be with them. It's that part of the populace (the not-cool outsiders grown up) that we don't get on our side unless we become cool, and being reasonable and polite hasn't worked since the days of, well, ever. Adlai Stevenson never won the Presidency, and neither did HHH or McGovern.
        Sad, perhaps, but politics isn't for the emotionally tender or the polite. Winning is everything, and as long as it's legal, it's fair.

        "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

        by bryduck on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 01:13:06 PM PST

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    •  distractions (0+ / 0-)
      These fights are largely engineered by the wealthy powers-that-be so that they can be left in peace and continue to amass more wealth and power for themselves, while everyone else fights amongst themselves.  
      "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"
          -- The Wizard of OZ

      "It's high time (and then some) that we put an end to the exceptionalistic nonsense floating around in our culture and face the fact that either the economy works for all, or it doesn't work AT all." -- Sean McCullough (DailyKos user thanatokephaloides)

      by thanatokephaloides on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 03:38:08 PM PST

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    •  National Organization for Marriage has 2 missions: (1+ / 0-)
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      1) Fight gay marriage

      2) Elect Republicans

      Democrats would be wise to finalize this discussion before the 2014 fall elections. Because fear and homophobia are a powerful Get Out The Vote strategy.

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