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  •  Jim Crow REMAINS a fight for many (3+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, Ian Reifowitz, METAL TREK

    I had argued weeks back that these bills were Jim Crow. The oddity is that their defenders can seamlessly switch between citing "government interference in business" on the subject of homosexuals being served and yet confess that there are no governmental regulations requiring gay marriage in Arizona, that no bakery (it's always the bakery) or wedding photographer is currently mandated anywhere to serve at or for a gay wedding. There can be breach of contract, of course, if a photographer agrees and then pitches a fit, but that would likely result in a refund and a not-business-destroying penalty for being a jerk.

    The motive here is and has been "private accommodations for businesses" and freedom to discriminate. We have to keep our eyes open, because Rand Paul will say openly that businesses should be able to discriminate, and the private discrimination of businesses is by now a well trodden path for segregation and differential hiring/economic advantage across America.

    "man, proud man,/ Drest in a little brief authority,. . . Plays such fantastic tricks before high heaven/ As make the angels weep; who, with our spleens,/ Would all themselves laugh mortal." -- Shakespeare, Measure for Measure II ii, 117-23

    by The Geogre on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 10:22:30 AM PST

    •  Be careful what you wish for... (3+ / 0-)
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      Ian Reifowitz, The Geogre, METAL TREK

      ....because the bill would have also legalized Sharia.

      Isn't not allowing businesses and people to use an alternative legal system that is part of their religion and tradition "religious discrimination"?

      (Of course, I think the Christianists would want Shawna Forde and her gang released from Death Row if they could pay the family of the people they murdered the equivalent of $120,000 - the Saudi diyya for the murder of one male - $80,000 - and one female - $40,000 - of one's religion.)

      You can't spell "Dianne Feinstein" without "NSA".

      by varro on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 02:21:06 PM PST

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      •  Before you condemn THAT (1+ / 0-)
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        You need to realize that the "man price" is a viable, although repellent, legal mechanism. We don't hold to it, and good for us, but it was part of English common law.

        Anglo-Saxon law was built on wergild -- the value of a man. This extended across the Germanic nations, and there were various prices/values associated with killings and testimony. For how it could work in practice, see the interesting and great epic Njal's Saga.

        I agree with you, of course, that the people who proposed the law were ignorant as well as foolish. They didn't fashion their own ideology cleanly.

        The problem that I see, the warning I sound, is that there is a strain in the GOP and the neo-Confederate element of the GOP that would say, "If those people want to be separate, that's fine." That element tends to also sponsor "self deportation" laws, whereby such enclaves and communities are criminalized by some other marker. I.e. they're fine with separatism in gross, because they believe they have the overall power.

        "man, proud man,/ Drest in a little brief authority,. . . Plays such fantastic tricks before high heaven/ As make the angels weep; who, with our spleens,/ Would all themselves laugh mortal." -- Shakespeare, Measure for Measure II ii, 117-23

        by The Geogre on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 06:59:25 PM PST

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