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  •  And further facts to counter fear-mongering (2+ / 0-)
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    Dr Swig Mcjigger, PhilW

    Thanks, PhilW.

    Further facts that just hit the DK front page (emphasis added):

    For the week ending Feb. 22, according to the Department of Labor, seasonally adjusted initial claims for unemployment compensation rose 14,000 from the previous week to 348,000. That is the same number of applications as for the comparable week of 2013. The four-week running average was 338,250, unchanged from the previous week's revised average. The total number of people making claims for the week ending Feb. 8 was 3,486,060, down 26,388 from the previous week.

    They don't win until we quit fighting!

    by Eyesbright on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 01:10:10 PM PST

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    •  Unemployment (2+ / 0-)
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      plan9pub, dfarrah

      is a fact of life in capitalism. It isn't fear mongering to raise the issue, and to try to identify trends. Many of us live in fear of losing jobs on a daily basis for good reason. It isn't going to make us more afraid than we already are to know people are being laid off.

      The corollary to fear mongering is false hope in a system that is flawed, from a worker perspective. All of the advantages accrue to the minority owner class. What surprises me is the number of workers who act against their own interests by supporting this system, and who oppose resistance.

      "The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue." Emma Goldman, Anarchism and Other Essays

      by ZhenRen on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 02:05:24 PM PST

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      •  The issue has more than two sides (0+ / 0-)

        One side:  

        It isn't fear mongering to raise the issue
        Another side:
        The corollary to fear mongering is false hope
        The third side:  Reality.  

        Note that Reality is not a fear-mongering headline:  

        Is it just me, or did layoffs just explode?
        especially with the Faux-News style question mark.

        Reality is not a matter of listing 38 headlines in BOLD with no cites and even including a Hungarian bus company in Budapest.  I shouldn't have been the only one to catch that but it's easy to miss details when you've just had a giant load of "we're all gonna die" dumped on your head.

        Reality would include acknowledging that several thousand of these jobs (I think I saw 8,000 mentioned in the comments) are seasonal.  

        Nothing in this diary is helpful and the fear-mongering is strong.  Compare this diary to the facts I quoted from today's front page article.  With that comparison, this diary begins to look, at best, like what I've seen called "concern trolling."  IMNSHO, this diary destroyed whatever credibility this diarist might have had.

        Initial jobless compensation claims match last year's

        They don't win until we quit fighting!

        by Eyesbright on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 04:59:08 PM PST

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        •  I take a comparison to Fox News as highly (0+ / 0-)

          offesnive. The Fox News headline would have been:

          "Are layoffs exploding?"

          When the Hell have you EVER seen a Fox headline or chryon where Fox asked "Is it just us, or...."?

          Fox is NEVER going to ask its viewer "Is it us?"

          I phrased the question as I did to invite folks to look at what I was looking at and see if they were seeing what I was seeing. I was NOT trolling like fucking Fox News.

          You could have responded to this in a civil manner and simply said, "Well David, I disagree with because...[evidence]"

          But no, you couldn't just make your point, you had to impugn my motives as well by attacking me personally.

          If you want to disagree with me, fine disagree with me. But how DARE you accuse me of trolling like the goddamned parasites at Fox News.

      •  Agree - sort of (0+ / 0-)

        Unemployment is a big problem and we should talk about how the elite, including Obama, just gloss over it.  We should talk about solutions and the overriding concern in our monetary policy for inflation before employment.  To accept the ongoing rates of unemployment/underemployment is destructive to the workers and to the long term health of our economy.

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