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  •  Palin can't help being female (2+ / 0-)
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    (unless, of course, she has an operation, but that's neither here nor there), which in any case there's nothing wrong with. Christie can help being morbidly obese. If you can't tell the difference or refuse to acknowledge it, that's not my problem. We're not talking about the average 20lbs overweight issue that many if not most of us struggle with in our middle years. We're talking a guy who literally weighs around twice what a healthy person should weigh for his height and build. I don't usually make fun of a person's weight or other flaws, whether they can do something about it or not, and especially if they can't. In fact I almost never do, except about myself, or in obvious jest. But when it comes to bottom-feeding assbags like Christie, I can and will make fun of his weight, personality and any other trait or flaw that I can link to his utter lack of character and self-control. If that offends you, move on.

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 09:32:10 AM PST

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    •  Do you think it's helpful... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...to the Democratic Party or the progressive movement to be associated with a culture where fat people are mocked for their appearance?  Don't you want fat people to vote for our candidates?  Because if they don't, we lose.  Look at our nation's obesity statistics.

      •  I don't think it has the slightest bit to do (0+ / 0-)

        with Dem prospects either way, as in ZERO effect one way or another. This is right up there with calls to tone down attacks on Repubs in general lest Bill O'Reilly call us libs meanies. It has ZERO electoral impact.

        "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

        by kovie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 11:04:51 AM PST

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      •  My nephew Mark (2+ / 0-)
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        Was overweight at an early age and it's gotten worse.  He's 25 nice looking but weighs 420 lbs.  He's lost weight but then put it back on.  We've been talking to him about surgery so that he can lose weight but he's been afraid.  I have a cousin who's the same way but she finally went for the surgery and (thank God) is now half her size and feeling 100% better.  Mark has spoken with her (plus 2 relatives who are Doctors)  and has just started the process for the surgery.  It will take about 6 months before he actually has the surgery but he's strong and we love him and will support him.  You don't know how difficult it's been, for my sister, brother-in-law and his 2 brothers and sister trying to talk to him.  He's had several appointments that he cancelled before he finally went to see his Doctor.  Please know that most people don't want to be grossly overweight (TLC has a program on this) and try constantly to lose weight but find it difficult to do this.  

        Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011) Voting is a louder voice than a bullhorn but sometimes you need that bullhorn to retain your vote.

        by Rosalie907 on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 11:57:12 AM PST

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    •  Contemptible, hateful, and cruel. (2+ / 0-)
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      askew, Rosalie907

      And full of the same tired old bullshit stereotypes about fat people.  Justified by Chris Christie being a terrible person, and completely ignoring the fact that he is not the only one you're insulting.

      Be ashamed of yourself.

      •  Nope, not in the slightest (0+ / 0-)

        Nothing to be or feel ashamed about IMO. If you associate yourself with Christie then shame on YOU.

        "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

        by kovie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 11:05:46 AM PST

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        •  Do you seriously not see the difference (1+ / 0-)
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          between defending Chris Christie and calling out the means by which you have chosen to insult him?  And thereby, because you still don't seem to have gotten this, chosen to insult everybody else who shares that trait with him?

          •  If you choose to see something in common (0+ / 0-)

            with Christie, then that's your cross to bear.

            "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

            by kovie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 03:40:02 PM PST

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            •  And if someone directs... (2+ / 0-)
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              Batya the Toon, Geardup

              ...a racist slur at Clarence Thomas, or an anti-Semitic slur at Joe Lieberman, we should remain silent because we're afraid of being associated with them?  
              Sorry, but this ACLU member got over that fear a long time ago.

              •  Because making a fat joke (0+ / 0-)

                is EXACTLY the same thing as making a racist or anti-semitic joke!

                Thanks, you just proved my point.

                There's nothing wrong with being black, Jewish, gay, etc.--and even if there was, there's not much most people can do about it. There IS something wrong with being mordibly obese, and most people CAN do something about it.

                Just ask Al Roker or my former congressman Jerrold Nadler (ironically, one black and the other Jewish, which had nothing to do with their former obesity).

                "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

                by kovie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 05:06:30 PM PST

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                •  Alright... (0+ / 0-)

                  ...you don't get it. Never mind.

                •  So you're just going with "unashamed fat-hater." (0+ / 0-)

                  Okay, good to know.

                  •  Nope (0+ / 0-)

                    Not even close. You're the only hater here.

                    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

                    by kovie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 07:36:00 PM PST

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                    •  I invite you to look up the recent studies (0+ / 0-)

                      regarding the measurable societal effects of fat-shaming.

                      Insulting fat people for being fat causes not just pain, which you've stated flatly that you don't care about, but actual quantifiable harm to physical and mental health.

                      If you don't care about that either, by all means, carry on.

                      •  So calling one asshole fat (0+ / 0-)

                        is insulting the entire population of overweight people?

                        Do you ever ask yourself is maybe you're devoting way too much energy at worrying about what other people think? It's a cliche, but only you can make yourself feel bad, not me or anyone else. Try using that power.

                        Apologies for not having respect for people who don't respect themselves.

                        "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

                        by kovie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 07:47:08 PM PST

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                        •  Aaaand you are in fact carrying on. (0+ / 0-)

                          Your argument that you're only insulting one fat asshole and not "the entire population" kind of loses its coherence when you end by classifying all fat people as lacking self-respect.  Just so you know.

                          •  I will admit (0+ / 0-)

                            that when I see a grossly overweight person in public I often think to myself "Don't they have any self-respect?"--especially if they're eating something they obviously shouldn't and don't need to. It bothers me that people could be this destructive to themselves. Of course, I keep this to myself.

                            Perhaps making fat jokes about a jerk like Christie is my way of venting these frustrations (I could stand to lose a few myself, although I'm WAY from being in Christie territory, so perhaps there's some projection going on there too) in what I view is one of the few remaining semi-socially acceptable ways.

                            Anyway, let's give this thread a rest and end it. You have your views and I have mine. Let's just move on.

                            "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

                            by kovie on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 07:30:33 AM PST

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