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  •  Betty - the issues at hand in McCutcheon (2+ / 0-)
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    are not a matter of opinion, that are a matter of facts. We may all disagree with how the Court should rule, but the basic issues are stated in every document filed with the Court by parties on both sides and others who support them. There is actually no debate on the issues, but much debate on the resolution.

    The statement in the diary, and at the link, regarding McCutheon, is accurate "If the Court eliminates the cap on aggregate donations by an individual in an election cycle". That is true, the case is about individuals, making disclosed campaign contributions. What is false are the statements in your original comment to me.  

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 11:51:38 AM PST

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    •  Please stop stalking me (2+ / 0-)
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      I'm not going to debate this issue with you because I favor acutally overturning CU, real campaign finance and lobbying reform and filling federal court vacancies with experienced jurists, not corporate attorneys.

      We're from completely different worlds on this issue. Today's campaign finance system is corrupt.

      Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

      by Betty Pinson on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 12:15:07 PM PST

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      •  Jurists instead of corporate lawyers! You dream (2+ / 0-)
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        beautiful dreams Betty.

      •  Betty - I have absolutely no issue with your view (4+ / 0-)
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        on campaign finance, respect your view on Citizens United and the outcome you hope for on McCutcheon. However, when you write about specific cases, please be accurate. It's not that difficult to check your facts.

        We have had a mountain of misinformation written here about both Citiizens United and McCutcheon and what is written here is echoed through the internet.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 12:22:07 PM PST

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        •  I have repeatedly referred you to the diary (1+ / 0-)
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          and the links therein.  If you have a problem, take it up with the diarist and the activists at the link.

          I'm warning you one last time to stop stalking me.

          Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

          by Betty Pinson on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 12:34:53 PM PST

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        •  Extending a civil debate is stalking? (3+ / 0-)
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          After reading this exchange, this is my summary:

          Her:  [repeating some erroneous information]

          You:  Here is a great resource that would help you understand the case.

          Her:  I prefer to get my information from other people who are ignorant of the facts.

          You:  No, really.  You should inform yourself if you are going to be posting stuff here.

          Her:  I disagree, therefore you are stalking me.

          It was a good try, VClib, but you can't win them all over.  As for that stalking thing, ignoring you was apparently not an option for her.

          Knowledge without conscience is the ruination of the soul -- François Rabelais

          by ccyd on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 03:55:13 PM PST

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          •  ccyd - My understanding is that stalking requires (2+ / 0-)
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            that you follow people from one diary into another, or several more. As you note I was just trying to have her read a one page summary so the next time she writes about McCutheon she would at least understand the facts of the case. She kept referring back to the diary author who actually had an accurate description of a key element of the case, which she had contradicted in her initial comment to me. I thought it was the Republicans who had the view "don't bother me with the facts".

            I know that campaign finance is very complex and wonky but we publish a large amount of misinformation here on the topic. I certainly understand why people want to get big money out of politics and that's great. But instead of staying focused on the big picture they start writing about specific cases and regulations, and that's when many run off the tracks.  

            Thank you for your kind words and support.

            "let's talk about that"

            by VClib on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 05:16:06 PM PST

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            •  Not just campaign finance (2+ / 0-)
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              I have found that many, many legal issues get distorted here.  I guess it comes from people being passionate, not understanding how the courts work, and wishing the law was something other than it is.  There is one person here who posts every time a judge makes a ruling he/she doesn't like that the judge is corrupt.  I made a challenge that he/she produce some evidence, and that resulted in repeated ad hominem attacks.

              Keep up the good fight.  It is arduous, but sometimes you can peel back the veneer of ignorance.

              Knowledge without conscience is the ruination of the soul -- François Rabelais

              by ccyd on Sat Mar 01, 2014 at 10:32:11 AM PST

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              •  ccyd - well stated (1+ / 0-)
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                Villanova Rhodes

                You are right it's not just campaign finance law, it's legal issues more broadly, although the campaign laws are very wonky. I know its endemic on the Internet but I am always disappointed to read so much legal misinformation published here.

                There was a diary published in the last day or so that had a long segment from Cenk Uygar discussing the Supreme Court protester, Citizens United, and McCutcheon. He had at least five profound errors of fact in his monologue, so it's no wonder people here are misinformed.

                "let's talk about that"

                by VClib on Sat Mar 01, 2014 at 12:31:09 PM PST

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              •  I see that you follow Adam B (1+ / 0-)
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                He is a gem, and my favorite author here too.

                "let's talk about that"

                by VClib on Sat Mar 01, 2014 at 12:33:10 PM PST

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                •  We worked for the same firm in Philadelphia (1+ / 0-)
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                  VClib

                  Not at the same time, but we are both alumni of Cozen O'Connor.

                  Knowledge without conscience is the ruination of the soul -- François Rabelais

                  by ccyd on Sat Mar 01, 2014 at 04:12:02 PM PST

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