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  •  Oh look, the same gunny fraud twice. (16+ / 0-)

    Here, I'll give it the same answer:

    The new laws permit CCW on campus. Period. The college/university cannot ban them.

    Utah's law allows colleges to ban weapons. And in fact most if not all do. For example BYU's Policy.

    But please, do continue comparing apples and oranges. The fruity scent covers up the reek of blood and gunpowder.

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    by nosleep4u on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 07:18:32 AM PST

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    •  Wow...your opinion isn't fact. (6+ / 0-)
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      6 States already have CC policies that allow weapons on campus.

      The person I was responding to said:

      We know the date when guns became legal on campus, a couple years from now, we'll have data on the increase in on-campus gun incidents, it ought to be obvious from that.
      We don't have to wait baby, we've got control groups to go from RIGHT NOW!

      Show me the studies!  Show me the blood, so to speak!

      Follow the damn conversation.  It's truly immaterial if a new law denies a College or Campus the unconstitutional powers to deny the exercise of a preexisting right or not.

      They're already being forced to do it by Court Decisions. Which still belies the fact that 6 States already have it.

      Where's the blood?  Or even better, the studies showing an increase in violence, including gun violence?

      The only fraud here is your meaningless argument and intentional misdirection.

      Get your facts straight next time!

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 07:33:30 AM PST

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      •  when they allow concealed carry on my campus.... (3+ / 0-)

        I will turn to my union and ask for a strike.

        I don't want to work in that environment.  You can bring your firearm to our campus and leave it with the campus police-  that is close enough for me.

        New York Times had a story on a state forcing universities to allow firearms in the dorms.  Turned out no one wanted to live in those dorms with those people.

        After a high-profile fight over guns at the University of Colorado, Boulder, a court ruling last winter forced the university to allow concealed weapons. Students and administrators said the new policy had made no noticeable difference in life on campus.

        There has been no sign of a proliferation of guns, which are still prohibited in most dormitories. Although the university has offered a small number of housing units where students could keep guns, so far there have been no takers.

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        So as a college faculty member, I know vulnerable students commit suicide every year, some in their dorms.  Every year some with have a break with reality- suicide or manic depression.  We have resident advisers and Uni 101 classes and work with them to notice when they troubled and get them help.  Guns in dorms and guns on campus don't help.

        You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

        by murrayewv on Sat Mar 01, 2014 at 03:20:47 AM PST

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        •  Fair enough...should the Police strike over the (2+ / 0-)
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          working conditions as well?

          Your union rights do not supersede the US Constitution. The State run universities are being required to follow said supreme law.  Private institutions have not been put in that position yet.

          As a former College Student at an Ivy League private college here in New York AND a suicidal one at that...guns weren't the problem.

          We had resident RA's, actual certified counselors in every Dorm, we had them the main campus as well.

          It was at said college that I jumped off a bridge and was dead for 8 minutes.  I woke 3 days later.  You know what my first thoughts were?  "The damn bridge wasn't high enough!"

          Using a gun NEVER occurred to me.  Why's that?  It had to look like an accident to protect my family!

          GRRrrrrrrrrr.

          I would never want to see firearms in any College, including those "monkey cops"...you know the ones that couldn't become actual Police Officers from being issued them......but what I want is immaterial to our supreme law.

          It's time we faced reality, all of us.  Guns aren't going anywhere until you change the 2nd Amendment.  

          If any institution gets public funding, they must comply with the law.  

          How about we just keep slashing mental health services, that'll protect us all....right?

          Or

          How about we ACTUALLY address the reasons why our suicide rates have gone up over 30% in the last 20 yrs?

          What are we doing wrong?  Why do almost 900,000 Americans each year attempt suicide????

          Surely you can understand the difference.  I seriously pray that you do.

          We have to fix the person, not ban objects.

          -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

          by gerrilea on Sat Mar 01, 2014 at 01:10:25 PM PST

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      •  He didn't give an opinion. He stated facts. (0+ / 0-)

        Show they're wrong, by all means, but don't pretend they're subjective.

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