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  •  There are ways to design a carbon tax (2+ / 0-)
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    so as to keep it from being regressive.

    "Turns out I'm really good at killing people." - President Obama

    by jrooth on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 11:11:41 AM PST

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    •  We've come to a consensus that the 99% have.. (0+ / 0-)

      ..been left behind.

      Can you design a carbon tax that will ensure that 99% of households will not experience a net increase in taxes.

      Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project.

      by PatriciaVa on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 11:14:29 AM PST

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      •  That's a ridiculous standard. (3+ / 0-)
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        Sure the bulk of increased wealth is going to the top 1% (or even the top 0.1%) but that doesn't mean there isn't another 5% or 10% or maybe even 20% who are doing well enough that they can choose to stick with their carbon-heavy lifestyle at some marginal increase in cost - or they could choose to improve their efficiency and garner a tax benefit.

        Freedom of choice and all that.

        "Turns out I'm really good at killing people." - President Obama

        by jrooth on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 11:45:31 AM PST

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        •  has it ever been (0+ / 0-)


          Has any country put a carbon tax in place and achieved a reduction in carbon use?

          The internet is crazy. It is like people arguing about what kind of cheese to throw at a portrait, in order to destroy it completely

          by GideonAB on Sat Mar 01, 2014 at 04:37:53 PM PST

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          •  I wonder who (1+ / 0-)
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            was the first guy to eat a snail?  Ooh!  It's never been tried so let's starve.

            Right winger math is usually messed up.  We can't raise taxes because the 99% have missed out on 20 years of growth?

            Well, the bottom 90% of the top 1% hasn't done so well either.  Gosh! We just can't do anything without crossing a red line.  Guess we'll just have to let the earth poach.

            "Our problem is not that the glass is half empty or half full, but that the 1% claims that it is their glass." ---Stolen from a post on Daily Kos

            by jestbill on Sat Mar 01, 2014 at 06:34:11 PM PST

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          •  I don't know of any nation that has, but (3+ / 0-)
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            Has any country put a carbon tax in place and achieved a reduction in carbon use?
            the Canadian province of British Columbia has a carbon tax, and has achieved a noticeable reduction in carbon emissions compared to all the other Canadian provinces.  BC isn't a country, but it's bigger and has more people than some small countries.  

            "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right." -- Sen Carl Schurz 1872

            by Calamity Jean on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 03:24:09 AM PST

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            •  We tried here in Australia (0+ / 0-)

              Didn't go so well with resistance from the far right.
              Efforts to tax the mining companies more effectively didn't have the dividends anticipated either for some reason, I haven't looked too carefully into what happened yet, so many other issues happening locally.
              Now those asses are in power.

              I wish I had stocks in aluminium these days. All that foil would be a great investment opportunity.

              by Ceri Cat on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 08:57:45 PM PST

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      •  Should we just tolerate the Oil Oligopoly? (0+ / 0-)

        This argument supposes that the oligopoly will be here forever, and there is nothing we can do to mitigate the harm. I think we need real competition, so that people will have ways to save money. That in itself might not boost all poor people, but it will improve the real business climate: most companies don't have a stake in high oil company profits, but are hurt by high energy prices; so breaking the oligopoly helps them, too.

        Freedom's just another word for not enough to eat. --Paul Krugman's characterization of conservative attitudes.

        by Judge Moonbox on Sat Mar 01, 2014 at 07:23:25 PM PST

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