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  •  You do realize there is precisely ZERO fallout (0+ / 0-)

    from Fukishima.

    Don't you?

    Libertarianism is just Fascism with a facelift. Scratch the surface of Libertarianism and you will find the notion that corporations should rule supreme, just as it was with Fascism..

    by Walt starr on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 05:39:37 PM PST

    •  Hi Walt starr (3+ / 0-)
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      I am confused by your statement. All the monitoring data argues strongly against it. Is this a semantic argument?

      The authors of the study I summarize start their manuscript with the following statement:

      A variety of environmental media were analyzed for fallout radionuclides resulting from the Fukushima nuclear accident by the Low Background Facility (LBF) at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (LBNL) in Berkeley, CA.
      •  Fallout results from a nuclear explosion (0+ / 0-)

        that send radioactive particulates into the stratosphere. The particulates are of a particularly nasty variety that are NEVER produced by nuclear reactors.

        There was NO Nuclear explosion at Fukishima and the chemical explosions could not have possibly put anything into the stratosphere.

        You are misinterpreting data.

        Libertarianism is just Fascism with a facelift. Scratch the surface of Libertarianism and you will find the notion that corporations should rule supreme, just as it was with Fascism..

        by Walt starr on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 05:45:57 PM PST

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      •  Let me get this out of the way now (0+ / 0-)

        Fukishima was a tragedy that points to the vunerabilities of nuclear reactors to natural disasters and everybody should be concerned as ther is not a question of IF a Fukishima style disaster will occur in the US but the question is WHEN will one happen.

        Spreading bullshit about Fukishima contaminating the west coast of the US damages the REAL issues surrounding Fukishima and only serves to insure that they will never be addressed.

        The Diarist quotes pure bullshit.

        Libertarianism is just Fascism with a facelift. Scratch the surface of Libertarianism and you will find the notion that corporations should rule supreme, just as it was with Fascism..

        by Walt starr on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 05:50:15 PM PST

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        •  Hi Walt starr (6+ / 0-)

          You are factually incorrect. How would you interpret the presence of 134-Cs (a fission product) with a roughly 2-year half-life in the air over San Francisco days after the Fukushima accident?

        •  Walt... (4+ / 0-)
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          I'm not an expert on radiation or environmental chemistry, but I am a physical scientist (and can read a scientific paper or two).

          I think you might misread the diarist. I get the takehome point that, while you can measure the result of Fukushima on the US west coast, it is at lower levels than from Chernobyl and from nuclear testing in the 1950's and 1960's.

          What things are like at the site of the disaster is a completely different story and is not a point of this diary. I think that all of us would agree that what happened at Fukushima was a disaster.

          Screw John Galt. Who's John Doe?

          by Mike Kahlow on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 06:21:14 PM PST

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        •  Tragedies generally involve deaths (0+ / 0-)

          AFAIK, there have been none associated with the radiological component of the Fukushima nuclear reactor facility, and the future death toll will be minimal if Chernobyl is any guide. Given that all forms of electrical power generation, including wind and solar, carry some risk of human fatality (whether direct or indirect), it is noteworthy that nuclear energy is by far the safest widespread form of electrical power generation if measured by deaths per kilowatt-hour delivered.

          People forget that there is not a feasible choice that carries no risk of human death. Fatalities in electrical power generation are a minimization question, not an elimination question, at least until nuclear fusion becomes a viable option. In the meantime, the fear of nuclear radiation - while justified to some extent - is overblown.

          TX-17 (Bill Flores-R), TX Sen-14 (Kirk Watson-D), TX HD-50 (Celia Israel-D)

          by Le Champignon on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 07:35:19 PM PST

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          •  How many people are still evacuated? (2+ / 0-)
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            I don't think you need to have deaths to have a tragedy.

            Screw John Galt. Who's John Doe?

            by Mike Kahlow on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 07:55:10 PM PST

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          •  It is most certainly a tragedy (0+ / 0-)

            The environment around Fukishima will suffer for years.

            Libertarianism is just Fascism with a facelift. Scratch the surface of Libertarianism and you will find the notion that corporations should rule supreme, just as it was with Fascism..

            by Walt starr on Sat Mar 01, 2014 at 05:52:39 AM PST

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          •  This argument is shady (0+ / 0-)

            It's like a mafia don arguing that since no body has been found, the fact that he is on tape saying, "If so and so were to go away, it would be OK with me," is not relevant.

            The nuclear industry has gotten away with this "there are no bodies" BS for long enough.  There are bodies.  Plenty of them.  Why do you think pretty much everybody gets cancer now at some point when it used to be a rare disease?

            They tell me I'm pretty amusing from time to time working with 140 characters or less.

            by CharlieHipHop on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 09:15:38 AM PST

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            •  Deaths from cancer on the rise (1+ / 0-)
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              "Why do you think pretty much everybody gets cancer now at some point when it used to be a rare disease?"

               People don't die by the thousand from diphtheria outbreaks or cholera epidemics or Spanish Flu. The graveyards are no longer filled with tombstones of children dead before they were five from scarlet fever or some other "act of God" as many communicable diseases used to be called. Nowadays we freak out when there's a tiny number of cases of non-fatal whooping cough reported in some locale.

               Folks live longer and die later thanks to modern medicine and the chances of contracting a diagnosed case of cancer increase with age. In many cases in the past folks with cancer died of "heart failure" or "general debilitation", something the doctor wrote down as cause of death because the patient had been "poorly" for a while and it wasn't worth performing an autopsy to actually find out how it happened.

               As for the belief that only man-made sources of radiation cause cancer, well... No, I won't bother trying to explain. I give up on that because it's like trying to bail out the Titanic with a leaky bucket.

        •  Walt, do shut up. (0+ / 0-)

          I find the vast majority of the reporting on Fukushima here and elsewhere hysterical and conspiracy-laden but even I know that Jay here is not even coming CLOSE to spreading bullshit and is in fact, absolutely correct.

          Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility. uid 52583 lol

          by terrypinder on Sat Mar 01, 2014 at 12:52:36 PM PST

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