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  •  the real problem is in the (2+ / 0-)
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    practice, where gun crime violations are no different since the possession is not contingent on training or registration, and so while there are responsible gun owners CCW, NFA, FFL, there are gun crimes and accidents because of no operator regulations accompanying purchases with most gun crime performed by illegal owners or untrained operators. And with respect to post Newtown, magazine regulations are ridiculous in a state that takes less than three hours to drive through. OTOH, CCW violators like the idiot who lost his because he wore a t-shirt that didn't cover his gun when he went to his local bar and someone freaked out when they saw it.

    Connecticut Is A Safe Place…
    Connecticut overall is a fairly safe state to live in, compared to the United States as a whole. Firearm homicide rates are slightly below the national average (2.71 per 100,000,compared to 2.75 nationally), while aggravated assault and robbery with firearms are well below the national average (35 to 39 and 20 to 43, respectively).
    http://www.cahs.org/...

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    by annieli on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:04:20 AM PDT

    •  That's 11% lower than the national average (2+ / 0-)
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      magazine regulations are ridiculous in a state that takes less than three hours to drive through.
      Why do you think this?

      Would you make the same claim with respect to cities? e.g. "Because it's possible to drive through NYC in less than 2 hours there is no point in having magazine restrictions there."

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      by LilithGardener on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:21:17 AM PDT

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      •  with respect, I wouldn't (2+ / 0-)
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        not a good demographic comparison it takes 2 minutes to cross any of the five largest CT cities... NYC's gun regulations are quite strong as we know from all the celebrity cases. And tell me when the last shooting in NYC involved a 30+ round magazine used by a citizen

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        by annieli on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:26:16 AM PDT

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      •  I guess it's a good thing then (5+ / 0-)

        that all the neighboring states have tough regulations as well.

        That way a would be criminal will have to go 4-6 hours out of their way to buy a gun and drive and 4-6 hours back to commit a crime with that purchased out of state gun.

        I don't know too many criminals who will bother and the few that do are probably on some watch list already.  

        It's no coincidence that CT ranks at the bottom of gun related crimes while LA and AZ rank at the top.  Just look at the gun laws in those states to figure out why.    

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        by DisNoir36 on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:29:39 AM PDT

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        •  I have a hypothesis that one of the reasons (3+ / 0-)
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          that VT, NH, and Maine have gun violence lower than the national average is that the strict laws in MA, CT, NY act as a buffer against gun trafficking into the state.

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          by LilithGardener on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:48:25 AM PDT

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          •  That would be one reason (3+ / 0-)
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            I think another is that the people in those states tend not to be wild west Wyatt Earp wannabes.  They've been hunting for generations and have a bit more respect for deadly weapons than the assholes in other parts who just think they look bad ass with a gun in their hand, until that gun goes off and blows their foot or head off.  There are alot of old time Yankees in CT who cling to their guns but for the most part many are decent law abiding citizens who know how to properly use and take care of them.  So that kind of stuff is just uncommon here.

            That said though there are STILL quite a bit of gun nuts in these parts who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near sharp objects let alone deadly weapons.  Nancy Lanza was one such nut.  She should have had her guns confiscated ages ago for being a fucking mentally deranged bat shit loon who though the world was gonna end and she needed to be prepared for it.  I've met a few of them.  One guy brandished a shot gun when I was working for the local Tax Assessor and went to his house as part of the town revaluation.  A real grizzly Adams anti-govt type who will be antagonistic towards the gov't at all costs, even if it means he'll likely lose his property for unpaid property taxes because it's overassessed as a result of him not letting me do my job.  Another guy actually admitted to me he had an arsenal to defend himself from the impending invading hordes from Bridgeport (IOW Blacks and Hispanics) when the economy collapsed.  Then in the next breath he admitted to also believing that aliens walked among us and he wanted to be prepared for that.  It's those types who we should be saying, 'ok you don't get to play with these anymore because you might hurt someone.'    

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            by DisNoir36 on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 11:15:33 AM PDT

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            •  A Hartford Courant survey on cases (2+ / 0-)
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              Involving gun seizures from citizens who, as we say, "need a check up from the neck up" was rather chilling. These seizures are based on a CT law which allow the police to preemptively seize weapons from people displaying questionable mental health and threatening behavior. None of these citizens had two or three weapons. Thirty-seven seemed to be a popular number for them to own.

              If I am not for myself, then who will be for me? When I am only for myself, then what am "I"? And if not now, when?

              by betorah on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 08:32:02 PM PDT

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      •  More Brutal Than Norway (0+ / 0-)

        Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

        by bernardpliers on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 11:15:36 AM PDT

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