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  •  I'm pretty sure he's an NSA operative... (4+ / 0-)
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    FG, oldhippie, fcvaguy, citizen k

    Working to bring down the entire progressive movement by disagreeing with you in the comments section of a blog post.

    Pragmatic progressive. Oregonian, Cascadian, and American. Keeper of the DKE glossary.

    by SaoMagnifico on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 04:24:44 PM PST

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    •  Disageements and insults are very (4+ / 0-)
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      oldhippie, Jim P, Alhambra, congenitalefty

      different things and I'll dish out as good as I get.

      Statements that the left supports Putin is an insult pure and simple.

      The frog jumped/ into the old pond/ plop! (Basho)

      by Wolf10 on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 04:30:24 PM PST

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      •  You are correct (6+ / 0-)
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        dpinzow, oldhippie, jilikins, Wolf10, fcvaguy, cany

        I identify as a proud member of the left, and I think Putin is a pile of dog shit wrapped up in the shape of a bald, dumpy little excuse for a human being.

        Pragmatic progressive. Oregonian, Cascadian, and American. Keeper of the DKE glossary.

        by SaoMagnifico on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 04:33:04 PM PST

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      •  Some people on the left look the other way. (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm not saying everyone. I'm not even saying that most feel so. But an excessively large number thinks that while Putin might not be good, he isn't exactly bad either, and we should accept him. This is what I disagree with.

        •  Yeah some people this, that and the other (1+ / 0-)
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          thing but to disrupt a blog of ideas with ad hominem generalizations is simply inflammatory and intentionally so. Intention matters.

          The frog jumped/ into the old pond/ plop! (Basho)

          by Wolf10 on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 04:56:49 PM PST

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        •  Here is my leftist view from my previous (1+ / 0-)
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          comment above:

          Still, no dog worth dying for in this fight (2+ / 0-)

          unless of course you actually live there and we don't.  Without a clear class perspective kleptocrats, plutocrats and olligarchs of one stripe or another will remain incharge while the common folk compete for scraps and occasionally slaughter each other in the name of identity politics.

          The frog jumped/ into the old pond/ plop! (Basho)

          by Wolf10 on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 05:02:29 PM PST

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        •  bananapouch - I would say that Putin is probably (1+ / 0-)
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          the best possible leader for Russia at the moment, given the economic and political dynamics of that country. He has managed to lead Russia out of the chaos and corruption of the post-Soviet Yeltsin era. His government is authoritarian, but the Yeltsin era (which involved, recall, massacring the parliament) discredited democracy for many Russians.

      •  Putin was briefly a hero of the Republican right (0+ / 0-)

        because they viewed Putin's diplomacy re Syria as a defeat for Obama. And, of course, there's Russia's anti-gay law, which was written and passed with the help of American anti-gay activists.
           Of course, now that Putin is trying to stop a right wing revolution, they don't like him as much.
            But Putin has never been liked by American liberals, or "the left" in general.

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