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  •  Have you checked opinion polls? (1+ / 0-)
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    People love the concept of bipartisanship. Most of the country isn't a bunch of hard Democratic partisans (or further left) like Daily Kos regulars. If they were, the election results would be much different from what they are.

    Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

    by MichaelNY on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 12:05:26 AM PDT

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    •  No, I have not. Instead I use more reliable data. (0+ / 0-)

      Those being financial data that shows an incredibly lopsided state of our economy & society and voter turnout statistics that show, plainly, that people do not show up and vote for the NeoNeville Corporate Capitulater.  If your strategy were effective, bridges wouldn't be falling down.  Look around - things ain't working.

      And note too, I am not arguing against bipartisanship nor for hard left policy as you seem to suggest.  I am arguing that going to the voters and saying 'bipartisanship is my primary virtue; my opening gambit' does not result in good governance.

      Lobbyist, PAC, SuperPAC - a bribe by any name is still corruption

      by GreatLakeSailor on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 08:57:03 AM PDT

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      •  There's a difference between seeming (0+ / 0-)

        bipartisan and capitulating. Seeming bipartisan and open to compromise is popular with voters. Actually capitulating to bad policies is bad governance. It's important not to be too focused on partisanship to appreciate the difference. Lots of politics are about image.

        Also, really, acting like your analysis of the actual socio-economic state of the country is more reliable data than opinion polls? So, campaigns should ignore all their polling and just do what you say, probably including the extreme language you use? It would save them a lot of money, but it wouldn't win them a lot of elections.

        Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

        by MichaelNY on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 09:34:28 AM PDT

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        •  On this we can agree: (0+ / 0-)

          "Lots of politics are about image."*

          That's why 'running on' bipartisanship, when the last 30 years of bipartisanship has meant economic collapse of the working class at one-half free-fall, is bad imaging.  You ain't gotta be Fellini to make that connection.

          As for your second paragraph, I did not claim that opinion polls don't indicate in the abstract a favoring of bipartisanship.  I pointed out that leveraging these opinion polls to formulate election strategy does not result in higher voter turn-out nor economic justice.

          As a solution to current and on-going failures, I offered that advocacy for and solidarity with working people trumps bipartisanship as a touted, primary asset with respect to rank-of-effectiveness in getting NWWP (non-wonk working people) to the polls.

          Your whole 'ignore all polls' is as sophomoric as someone claiming 'polls are not abstractions'.  Some polls are accurately predictive; some not so much.  Had a New Coke lately?  It polled ahead of original Coke.  Turns out the situation was a little more complex than choose A or B.

          *We likely agree too, that not all politics...  Good governance plays a role.

          Lobbyist, PAC, SuperPAC - a bribe by any name is still corruption

          by GreatLakeSailor on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 02:01:08 PM PDT

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