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  •  I think you are trying to (1+ / 0-)
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    i saw an old tree today

    make a point here, but I am having trouble sussing it out exactly.

    When I said intelligent life I meant an entity (or even just a software implementation) that would be able to convincingly pass a Turing test. It would need no hands or means of locomotion whatever and eyes could be quite optional. It also might not even be in one location, its functions could be distributed geographically.

    Am I correct in assuming that you wouldn't claim that non-human intelligent life of the sort that might pass a Turing test is all around us? If not, can you give examples?

    The world is a den of thieves and night is falling. -Ingmar Bergman

    by Pirogue on Sat Mar 01, 2014 at 10:12:55 PM PST

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    •  Yes, I am thinking outside the box (1+ / 0-)
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      Thanks for the reply, I wasn't expecting it, shows you how stupid I am

      When I see a crow, or a sparrow, navigate through traffic, to negotiate a bug, a seed or whatever it is they are doing, sometimes it seems for reasons other than food, I think they are solving more computational problems than people most often do while driving or crossing a street, certainly in more dimensions (and just a note both humans and birds often fail in this endeavour)

      I looked at the wiki link on Turing's test, having slogged through graduate statistical theory I know that it would take me 1. a long time to read the link, and 2. a long time to (probably) fail the test, so apologies if I don't argue details of this test

      I usually try to stay far away from discussion about 'intelligent' life somewhere besides earth because I find most life on earth intelligent, I deeply admire community, swarming, colony behaviors, my mind boggles at the intelligence of octupii and really most underwater life, but I understand you are looking for a specific definition of intelligence, in a rigorous philosophical tradition (I see the link at the bottom to 'the problem of other minds') and that's cool

      So your question, yes, if the Turing test could be and were adapted as you suggested, to say, octupii, yes, I think in time some octupii would pass it, insofar as a human has passed it

      A comment on the test, really the test is a discussion of what we want to be artificial intelligence, as we perceive intelligence -- perhaps our consideration of both artificial and intelligent is open to scrutiny, I believe it sometimes is

      •  This is a (2+ / 0-)
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        i saw an old tree today, caul

        deeply ramified field of discussion and there are no simplistic answers to any of the questions. Suffice it to say that, for many of the reasons you mentioned, I refrain from eating almost all animals. I absolutely wouldn't eat an octopus on moral grounds.

        The world is a den of thieves and night is falling. -Ingmar Bergman

        by Pirogue on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 02:40:35 PM PST

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