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  •  You know the rule about "extraordinary claims" EOM (3+ / 0-)
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    •  What are you talking about? n/t (4+ / 0-)

      Information is the currency of democracy. ~Thomas Jefferson

      by CIndyCasella on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 11:07:13 AM PST

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      •  ... "require extraordinary evidence." (9+ / 0-)

        Crimea handover a fact.  The rest is pretty hyperbolic.  Lots of evidence to suggest that the coup/revolution/uprising/whatever has a mixed bag of support from both ends of the political spectrum, so to label the whole thing a neo nazi exercise aided and abetted by neo-cons is a bit of a stretch.

        •  For a different view- (6+ / 0-)

          another view  quoted below:

          How oblivious or arrogant do you have to be to spend $5 billion dollars destabilizing a country (the actual total is undoubtedly much higher), have your diplomats caught on tape planning a coup, bring a gang of fascist thugs to power on Russia's doorstep--whose first order of business is to outlaw the Russian language, conduct a purge of opposing parties, threaten the Russian-speaking population, threaten to restore Ukraine's nuclear status and provoke and threaten Russia non-stop... and have the balls to lecture anyone about interfering? Oh, add to the pot that you have done the same exact thing in several other countries in the past few years alone. It simply boggles the mind.

          Continue poking Putin by suggesting he is being a "bully" when he moves to protect the Russian naval base, protect Russians, and listen to the wishes of the elected government of the region who ask for his support, as as new protests erupted across eastern Ukraine rejecting the putschists in Kiev, with Russian flags being raised over government buildings and protesters brandished signs saying "In Russia We Have Brothers. In Europe We Are Slaves" and "Where We Are, It is Also Russia." This is called an 'invasion' by the people who bought and organized a fascist coup. Bizarro World.

          Is it possible that the poster's comments might not be entirely hyperbole?

          The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

          by dfarrah on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 11:51:24 AM PST

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        •  Who is being hyperbolic here? I did not label (5+ / 0-)
          the whole thing a neo nazi exercise aided and abetted by neo-cons
          which is your "extraordinary claim" for which no"extraordinary evidence" exists.  

          This is what I wrote:

          Part of the new illegitimate government that ousted a democratically elected president by forceful means is neo nazi based
          and
          This crisis was driven by a coup that was backed by the same neocons who started the Iraq War based on their fraud.
          A far cry from your hyperbole.

          Want proof?

          Here ya go:  

          Victoria Nuland: Leaked call shows US hand on Ukraine

          As Mark Mardell of the BBC points out:

          Swearing scornfully about your allies isn't great diplomacy - but it is the revelation of the depth of the US involvement in the Ukraine crisis that really catches the eye.
          Ms Nuland could instead plot with the ambassador on who should and shouldn't be in a new Ukrainian cabinet.

          After all the NSA revelations, and German Chancellor Angela Merkel's umbrage at them, saying a naughty word about the main players in the region is excruciatingly awkward.

          But it's the larger conversation, which shows the US is manipulating Ukraine just as much as Russia, that is the real diplomatic disaster.

          Is the U.S. Backing Neo-Nazis in Ukraine? Exposing troubling ties in the U.S. to overt Nazi and fascist protesters in Ukraine. by Max Blumenthal, February 24, 2014, Alter Net.

          Information is the currency of democracy. ~Thomas Jefferson

          by CIndyCasella on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 01:01:06 PM PST

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          •  Here's a photo op of Nuland & the Neo Nazi she (3+ / 0-)
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            supported to be part of the new illegitimate government during her phone call on who should take the place of the democratically elected president after the "protest" coup.

            REUTERS/Andrew Kravchenko/Pool
            Ukrainian opposition leaders Oleh Tyahnybok (L), Vitaly Klitschko (2nd R, back) and Arseny Yatsenyuk (R) pose for a picture with U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland during a meeting in Kiev February 6, 2014.

            Information is the currency of democracy. ~Thomas Jefferson

            by CIndyCasella on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 01:06:59 PM PST

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      •  Anyone who (8+ / 0-)

        disagrees with the majority of gatekeepers on this site is automatically branded a 'conspiracy theorist.'  The gatekeepers consider almost any comment that they disagree with to be an 'extraordinary' claim.

        So, you've pointed out some inconvenient facts [they appear to be factual from other stuff I've seen] to the gatekeepers in the drumbeat for war.  Therefore, you are CT.  CT is not allowed here.

        The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

        by dfarrah on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 11:20:29 AM PST

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        •  Thanks, dfarrah. The DBAD rule is broken (5+ / 0-)

          IMHO when one makes the "extraordinary claim" that I wrote something completely different from what I wrote and labels the false statement attributed to me as an "extraordinary claim."

          The same old same old from the same crowd.  

          Why didn't he or she blockquote what I wrote and have at it honestly?  

          Why, indeed.

          Information is the currency of democracy. ~Thomas Jefferson

          by CIndyCasella on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 11:59:48 AM PST

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