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  •  Can't you even read? (4.00)
    Georgia says, rightly, that plain links belong in Open Threads. They exist to aggregate info. I even post links to articles there and suggest that somebody write a Diary on them, if I don't have the time to do it. As Steve M says, if conscientious diarists find their well-researched work just being pushed out by fluff (and they do now), they'll stop bothering to post them. Over the last few months, I've noticed the disappearance of several really good diarists. Another good diarist who is still posting regularly, lapin, I rarely see anymore because his (her?) diaries get buried under the snow so fast.

    DSM Watch - Day 62: When will Bush and Cheney finally read the documents?

    by smintheus on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 07:03:13 AM PDT

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    •  I can't agree with this (none)
      So, rather than posting relevant information at a time when it will have some impact, you should wait for an open thread?  

      Doesn't make sense.  

      Personally, a short diary is the best.  

    •  Doesn't work as effectively. (4.00)
      I posted this already but I'll repeat it: IMHO it would be great to have a third category of posts explicity for links.  A lot of things are lost in the open threads because when they get really long it takes a lot of time to work your way through them to get to links or information that's really valuable.

      With a "quick link" feature, it would be great for users to be able to select how many links they want to see at a time.  If you don't want to see any, put it at zero.  If this is something you come to dkos for, put it at 30.

      •  i agree (none)
        I like this even better.

        A section called Hot Links, for those "one line plus a link diaries", perhaps anchored on the right margin between the rec list and the recent diary list.

        this is the best idea I've heard yet.

        I understand the site is evolving and lots of new people are coming who want to read rather than write, but I would hate to lose access to the high level political analysis and commentary that originally attracted me here.

        Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.

        by TrueBlueMajority on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 08:52:47 AM PDT

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        •  Only (4.00)
          if it's an option we can turn off. I don't need yet another list of the same links that can be found on every lefty blog in Blogtopia. That's what Bloglines and Feedburner and suchlike are for. And these days, it's all I can do to keep up with the blogs I read and my news aggregator. One more list of things to look at? I'll pass, thanks.
        •  Or a separate list of substantial diaries (none)
          or call it what you want...diaries that have a lot of work and real thought put into them, that could be grouped and held around for half a day or more. At the moment, I doubt there are more than a few dozen such diaries per day, but just try to find them.

          I don't quite understand how diaries make it onto the RD list, but clearly it's too small to accomodate the number of diaries that people looking for serious analysis come to this site for (and anyway it often has a highish proportion of diaries where little or no critical thought is on display).

          I'm not sure this would work, since so many people now seem to recommend diaries with so little thought, maybe there'd have to be a different group of really trusted users to single out the substantial diaries.

          DSM Watch - Day 62: When will Bush and Cheney finally read the documents?

          by smintheus on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 10:39:06 AM PDT

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        •  more ideas (none)
          Hey TrueBlue,

          There have always been people here who like to read more than write (I count myself one). I too appreciate the analysis and thoughtful commentary. But I know there are many people on the site who can articulate better than me in many cases (though i can talk too--just ask my dad, who just got an earful over the 4th).

          I once worked on a big event site featuring asynchronous and synchronous chat for a  very large company(someone may recognize it if I start to describe it--My contribution was very very small ). Everyone in this very very large company was invited to participate and post comments.

          As in dkos there were certain active posters and also many lurkers.  Unlike dkos They put a lot of structure we probably don't need or want into this "event" (like forum moderators) but there may be a few things we could take away from the experience.

          They had some interesting systems for differentiating comments which could be applied here to either comments or more likely, diaries. People voted up comments just as we recommend diaries here. But also, when you posted you could label your comment per some predetermined categories. Since it was a corporation those categories were things like "best practice" and "action item". We could consider something similar but using categories we find commonly at dkos.

          A new diary could go in the regular list in chron order, there are still options to recommend etc as there are now. But if it's just a HOTLINK or quick piece of breaking news you could use a radio button to label it as such. If it's an ACTION ALERT, you'd label that. Then as a reader I could ask for recent ACTION items, or recent NEWS or recent ANALYSES and I could pull up a list or a page that showed those (so even if they'd scrolled far down the list, I would see them in an alternate view). If we really wanted to get fancy, I guess I could we could set it up to filter out a category we find annoying (GCBW diaries--and no, I'm not really suggesting that should be a category).

           Alternately it could be another "tool" so I could always see these in a box like the recent and reco diary list.

          Needless to say I know I am potentially creating a lot of work for some site design folks and I have no idea how easy or hard it would be for scoop to support something like this, and the designers would have to go for it. It's just pie in the sky (yes pie, sorry). But I think it might help people as we get bigger if some of our most "common" categories were available so diaries of a particular type (particularly say news or action) could be revealed in one page.

          BTW I'm not suggesting a lot of these, just the few really common critical ones people seem to agree on.

          Now I have a question raised by this diary: I have an issue I'd like to discuss but I personally don't have a lot to say about it. It's more of a question that sprang out of a live discussion with some NY Kossacks and I'd like to continue the discussion online because we had the question but not really an answer.

          Now, per our rules that diary wouldn't fit dkos because it would only really take a few lines to pose the question itself. I am very interested in attracting some of our thinkers to gnaw on this issue.

          Is it ok to diary such a thing? And how do you make it clear that you mean for others to speak and you to listen/moderate/facilitate a discussion or dialogue about it. Is there a place for such a thing at dkos? It seems like there really isn't--if we're all supposed to be verbalizers. But I think it would be a helpful type of dialogue to have sometimes.

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