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  •  TLP -- (1+ / 0-)
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    it came from ... "people briefed on the call said" in the NYT report i link to here,  again.

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    by greenbird on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 08:15:52 AM PST

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    •  I realize that it was in the NYT - thanks for the (8+ / 0-)

      link, which I have read, but I want to know where the NYT got the quote, specifically. The only German report I'm seeing about this (the tabloid "Bild", which is not my source of choice) is also quoting this from the NYT. It's strange that no reliable German sources are printing anything about this at all.

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      by translatorpro on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 08:21:20 AM PST

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      •  yep. and it's evolving ... (0+ / 0-)

        because it's just "people briefed on the call."

        Guardian-UK Live Update

        German chancellor Angela Merkel told US president Barack Obama that she thought Russian president Vladimir Putin may be “in another world.”
        bolding mine.
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        by greenbird on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 08:25:54 AM PST

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        •  No, it's evolving in that I just posted (6+ / 0-)

          a source higher up that stated the Chancellor did not say that at all. I just found it odd that there were no German sources mentioning this (I live in Germany), so I have been looking for confirmation of any kind in German, and was only coming across it as a NYT quote. Then I stumbled over a very fresh report (less than an hour old), that refuted the NYT quote.

          „Wer kämpft, kann verlieren. Wer nicht kämpft, hat schon verloren.“ - Bertolt Brecht

          by translatorpro on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 08:50:01 AM PST

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          •  wait a minute. Your own translation says (1+ / 0-)
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            this:

            Berlin has not officially confirmed the quote, but preferred a more diplomatic turn of phrase
            which sounds to me like they're not clearly denying the statement.

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            by Tamar on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 12:37:29 PM PST

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            •  Not really. (0+ / 0-)

              As I told you elsewhere, there's just too much room for misinterpretation/mistranslation when more than one language is involved. I really would not read too much into this, especially since it doesn't really sound like something Angela Merkel would say about another world leader whose gas and oil her country needs.

              „Wer kämpft, kann verlieren. Wer nicht kämpft, hat schon verloren.“ - Bertolt Brecht

              by translatorpro on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 02:19:44 PM PST

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      •  Nuland maybe? (2+ / 0-)
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        She may be in on all of Merkel's calls, silently, of course. For the neocons, the EU is a bit enemy-ish. You never know when a diplomacy that doesn't involve attempts to humiliate a powerful nation and/or the extensive use of stuff that goes boom! might pop up inconveniently.

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        by chuckvw on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 08:36:58 AM PST

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