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  •  Could you estimate the... (5+ / 0-)

    size of the stockpile required. I bet it's a lot larger than you imagine.

    We create an emergency stockpile for the eastern European countries that need heating gas
    As far as I know Western Europe also uses that gas.
    •  Germany and Italy (5+ / 0-)

      are the two biggest consumers of Russian gas.

    •  One of the suggestions is Iran. (2+ / 0-)
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      LordMike, fcvaguy

      We settle things with Iran, and help them export into Europe.

      Otherwise it requires oil tankers. Working with Canada, Latin America.

      If Russia doesn't settle up quick, they have to deal with competition. The problem is, most of the plans for getting Iranian oil into Europe rely on a Transcaspian oil transport system that would route through Ukraine.

      That's the where.

      As for as how much is concerned, I don't know. This is really complicated and finding those numbers isn't easy. Especially with disinformation campaigns going on.

      An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

      by OllieGarkey on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 10:41:36 AM PST

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      •  So kinda a Berlin airlift... (0+ / 0-)

        but with ships.

        You dream big.

      •  OMG! ROFLMAO! Like *that's* ever going to happen. (1+ / 0-)
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        I can see it all now. Obama gets Congress to drop all sanctions against Iran and Iran agrees to work with the US against Russia. Bwaaaahahahaha! In your dreams!

        •  Exactly. (1+ / 0-)
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          Odysseus

          Like I say in my post:

          I think the Western World is incapable of working together to enforce international law.
          Even if we could set up Iranian pipelines into Europe in a week, even if we had the capability to do that, and start up a Transcaspian Oil Transport System, the Republicans would find some way to derail it.

          We, the west, are incapable of working together to solve this problem.

          And that's tragic, because it means that there's a good chance that we won't be able to guarantee the defense of nations who agree to nuclear disarmament.

          An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

          by OllieGarkey on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 06:47:40 PM PST

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    •  In absolute terms, Germany is the biggest consumer (5+ / 0-)

      at about 35 billion cubic meters (bcm) per year (2005 figures)  Italy is next at around 25 bcm, France 11 bcm, Hungary 9 bcm, Czech Republic 7 bcm, Poland, Slovakia, and Austria all around 6.  

      Data comes from a 2007 Norwegian study (the most recent I could find on short notice).  Norway, the Netherlands, and Austria are the biggest competing suppliers.

      •  And this is precisely why the economic sword... (2+ / 0-)
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        hangs directly over the head of Western Europe. The East may use Russian gas to heat their houses, but Germany uses it to power its heavy industry. Decreasing the supply pushes up prices worldwide, which will put the fragile EU economy into recession, and by extension, ours. That's why Ollie's pipe dream of muscular economic sanctions will never happen.

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