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  •  I tend to agree with Loge's reply. (2+ / 0-)
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    But the point is this has next to nothing to do with the U.S. - this is Russia's historic sphere of influence, over which it's losing, not gaining power, and the reaction of the U.S. and others might have been a factor in Putin's thinking (if he reached beyond they're not going to stop us, militarily), but it's ancillary.  This isn't a "test" of Obama like Cuba was with Kennedy; this is consolidating power over Eastern Ukraine.  
    I dont look at the issue as just a two way US-Russia issue.  

    A couple of months ago, Russia had their guy in power in Ukraine, and now they dont. So out of desperation, Putin is now trying to hold Crimea and possibly move into Eastern Ukraine.

    I think he would do this regardless of the US president, and whatever their previous actions were.

    Another way of putting it, Putin went into Georgia even after Bush's invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. And Ukraine is even more important to Russia.

    •  Are you saying that Putin had great respect for (0+ / 0-)


      That's hard for me to believe.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 11:06:34 AM PST

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      •  No, I'm saying the opposite (4+ / 0-)
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        LeftistSkeptic, Loge, dinotrac, buffie

        I dont know that the US president, whoever it is, really factors much into his decisions.

        Bush was certainly not isolationist, and yet Putin didnt seem to care about that much when he invaded Georgia.

        Obama is certainly more isolationist, or restrained in using power, or however you want to characterize it, and Putin invaded Crimea.

        My point is he has his own interests for doing these things that have nothing to do with the US president.

        •  On the other hand, Bush did take action (0+ / 0-)

          From a CNN interview:

          MIKHEIL SAAKASHVILI, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF GEORGIA: One thing should be known. In Georgia in 2008 after the reaction was quite late, Putin was stopped at the entrance of our capital by a huge unit who showed, but the international community outcry. George Bush sent four fleets. The initial planes were put on alert prepared for no fly zone over Georgia and that's what stopped Putin from a --

          BURNETT: So that's what Obama is going to have to do.

          SAAKASHVILI: There have been many different options he can consider. I'm not saying that's the situation for sure but certainly we should consider all of the options because U.S. security interests are at stake. If this war in Europe collapses now, the U.S. will be in trouble. The United States is one of the main guarantors and benefactors of this order that exists today in Europe and if it goes to hell, certainly American interests would be at great risk. BURNETT: Well, we'll leave it at that. Thank you all very much. Appreciate it. Obviously a very significant moment right now for the world, for the United States, for Russia, for Ukraine.

          LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

          by dinotrac on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 12:13:13 PM PST

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