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  •  I agree with much of this. (1+ / 0-)
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    But I still think it's essential to convince Putin to stop (and then to back away.) At that point everything you list should be on the table. But the first order of business has to be to try to prevent this from devolving into all-out war.

    "Turns out I'm really good at killing people." - President Obama

    by jrooth on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 10:41:30 AM PST

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    •  There is ZERO chance of all out war (4+ / 0-)

      Or even limited one.
      Did you notice that NOT A SINGLE SHOT was fired when Crimea was taken over?  

      Simply put, for a whole host of historical, cultural, etc. reasons, Russian army will not fire the first shot.  

      Also, again, this whole thing is making him popularity go through the roof.  Every Russian speaking person in any former Soviet republic is quietly rooting for him.  Not to mention Russia.

      And also the guy is smart and playing a long game.  He knows full well that he has to last months, if not weeks.  As soon as the next shiny object will appear on the horizon, the West will move on.

      •  Putin is effectively dictator for life. Back in (0+ / 0-)

        the 1930's the consensus was that democracies were all failures including the US.
        Putin is trying to turn the clock back. You can't get much dumber than that.

      •  That's for sure. No way Western minds focus on (0+ / 0-)

        anything for more than a month or two. Hell, here in the U.S., there's social programs to cut!

      •  Crimea is one thing ... east Ukraine another. (1+ / 0-)
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        The Ukrainians have showed excellent restraint so far, but partly that's a matter of the relatively few forces in Crimea being completely unprepared for this invasion and too weak to mount a credible defense.

        If the Russians cross into eastern Ukraine it's going to be a different story.  I don't think they have anything like the capability to defeat a Russian invasion, but being forewarned they do have the capacity to put up a serious fight.

        There was a good piece by a pair of former US ambassadors to Ukraine about this - I'll see if I can find it.

        "Turns out I'm really good at killing people." - President Obama

        by jrooth on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 11:43:48 AM PST

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    •  Putin is trying to stop war in Ukraine (0+ / 0-)

      Putin's show of force gave the Crimeans the opportunity to calmly stand up the the U.S. supported neo-NAZIs that overthrew a democratically elected leader in Kiev.  I suspected that the riots were CIA inspired regime change.  I was close, but recently learned that it was an organization formed by a former CIA director that is responsible - not much difference.  Furthermore, Obama and Putin have an understanding that goes above the U.S. State Department. Maybe Obama should purge the neocons out of the government, but right now, he is doing only what he thinks he can do.

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