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  •  How about George Bush's response to the (0+ / 0-)

    2008 invasion of Georgia?

    Here is a snip from a CNN interview including the former Georgian President:

    MIKHAIL SAAKASHVILI: One thing should be known. In Georgia in 2008 after the reaction was quite late, Putin was stopped at the entrance of our capital by a huge unit who showed, but the international community outcry. George Bush sent four fleets. The initial planes were put on alert prepared for no fly zone over Georgia and that's what stopped Putin from a --

    BURNETT: So that's what Obama is going to have to do.

    SAAKASHVILI: There have been many different options he can consider. I'm not saying that's the situation for sure but certainly we should consider all of the options because U.S. security interests are at stake. If this war in Europe collapses now, the U.S. will be in trouble. The United States is one of the main guarantors and benefactors of this order that exists today in Europe and if it goes to hell, certainly American interests would be at great risk. BURNETT: Well, we'll leave it at that. Thank you all very much. Appreciate it. Obviously a very significant moment right now for the world, for the United States, for Russia, for Ukraine.

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    by dinotrac on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 12:15:17 PM PST

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    •  so, you do want a military response, (0+ / 0-)

      after disavowing it.  I also wouldn't trust anything Saakshvili says, and there's a bit of hindsight justification in his argument.  Bush might have done these things (send which fleets from where to where?), but that's not an argument it directed Putin to come to the table, so much as proving it's point to Saakashvili.  Russia currently occupies South Ossetia, anyway, Georgia precipitated the invasion by shelling separatists, and the analogy to Tblisi would be as if Putin were attacking Kiev.  All in all, a bad analogy, in service of an argument that you don't understand what it is you're saying.  Perhaps Putin might be willing to come to the table, but it'll be because he wants to.  

      Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

      by Loge on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 12:28:16 PM PST

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      •  Come on, simple English. (0+ / 0-)

        I didn't say that at all.

        I did bring up Bush's action in 2008 - which wasn't exactly a military action, even though it was carried out by the military.

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        by dinotrac on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 12:47:54 PM PST

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