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  •  We survived the last ice age. (1+ / 0-)
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    Lujane

    I do not see our technology surviving though, at least not the large time-zone spanning ones.

    Massive migrations, failing governments and global economic collapse are survivable, for at least some significant fraction of the population. And not just the uber-riche and survivalists. But we are so reliant on some key technologies (anyone a fan of electricity?) that cannot survive without serious inputs that cannot be continued in perpetuity without major^n development of alternatives.

    A return to a more tribal lifestyle would perhaps generate better (or perhaps even worse) forms of self autonomy. And the social Darwinists would be extremely pleased by the hardening of the gene pool.

    I for one don't want to throw the dice or prognosticate on what happens 100 or even 50 years from now. In a perverse way, it makes me some how glad I won't be around to see it. But future people (they will survive) will spit on our graves and institutions.

    We will be remembered as the dark ages version 2.0.

    •  During the last ice age (2+ / 0-)
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      BusyinCA, Calamity Jean

      Humans came pretty close to extinction, but they still had oxygen in their atmosphere, other species to share the planet with, and a million years of lithic technology backing them up.

      Can you pressure flake a Folsom point, make fire in a desert, walk for hundreds of miles, find food after we have killed off every other species but mankind?

      Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

      by rktect on Wed Mar 05, 2014 at 09:09:51 PM PST

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      •  I can make a spear point and fire, (1+ / 0-)
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        Creosote

        but at my age I would be left to die in such a 'society'.

        Finding food would be a challenge, as few sustainable types might be left. Care for some fresh grasshoppers? Maybe some worms or larvae. Yum. Won't be much mammalian life left after humans eat them all. And forget about fishing for your dinner. Extinct or toxic. Potable water will be scarce.

        Lovely future we leave for our descendants.

        •  The old, the women and children won't die first (1+ / 0-)
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          Calamity Jean

          Hunters know that if they don't preserve the old folk they lose the old folks knowledge of medicinal and edible plants, (assuming any survive) what species of insects are safe to eat and which are poisonous (I agree insects are a good candidate to be able to survive as long as we can) If they don't preserve the women and children they have nobody to hunt and gather for them when they get old.

          On the other hand hunters get the lions share of food so gatherers need to be clever.

          Potable water will still seep out of rocks in springs but bands of hunters will probably fight over them.

          Where it gets sticky is surviving the first few centuries where its doubtful anything can live on the surface and underground there is cabin fever.

          Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

          by rktect on Wed Mar 05, 2014 at 09:55:02 PM PST

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