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  •  This is a complex situation (14+ / 0-)

    and, imho, it is one that starts in childhood.  

    Girls/women are taught that they need a man in their life, it is reinforced through out their entire life!

    -Mom has got to find a dad for the kids
    -Girl needs a boyfriend to be accepted
    -Woman needs a man to "protect" her

    And the cycle continues.

    It leads to dependency on men rather than an equal partnership. That dependency leads to acceptance of sexual violence and abuse.

    Obviously it is more complex and I am oversimplifying, but one gets the idea.  Also, sexual violence and abuse are not exclusive to opposite sex relationships (as much as the LGBT community may not want to talk about it...).

    I was the domestic violence officer at my agency. I have been through the training, the classes and have the experience... abuse is a conditioning process, and speaking from an LE standpoint, it is beyond frustrating. I was appointed to that position because I was the only one in my agency willing to do it. It is a soul-sucking job.

    The average DV victim will return to her abuser at least 7 times before finally leaving.  7 times!!!  For some it is more than that, for some it is less. Many of them will leave only in a casket.  

    So, no, the US isn't any better than any other country.  Woman are still viewed as property and good for only a couple of things. These things will only change when women will are finally viewed as something more than "for men's pleasure only".

    You can get animals addicted to a harmful substance, you can dissect their brains, but you throw their own feces back at them, and suddenly you're unprofessional. -Amy Farrah Fowler/The Big Bang Theory -7.50, -5.03

    by dawgflyer13 on Wed Mar 05, 2014 at 07:59:09 AM PST

    •  ^^^THIS^^^ (6+ / 0-)

      I agree, how about viewed as EQUAL. Sorry not screaming at you LaFem or dawgflyer13, just screaming to the wind...
      Keep the diaries coming LaFem you rock the house and I for one really appreciate your wading in the cesspool so I don't have to.
      Peace and Blessings!

      Stop with the purity trolling!

      by Penny GC on Wed Mar 05, 2014 at 08:54:40 AM PST

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    •  Hmm (1+ / 0-)
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      The US is better than quite a wide range of countries, but that's neither here nor there on whether there is a massive amount of progress to be made.

      •  We don't do so well in politics (0+ / 0-)

        We rank #83 when compared to other countries as far as women in elected positions.

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        by Shockwave on Wed Mar 05, 2014 at 10:43:01 AM PST

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        •  not to go all mathy on you (0+ / 0-)

          but even #83 is in fact better than a great many other countries, specifically 65 others in that particular score.

          I suspect the US does somewhat better on economic and social measures.

          For example, according to the World Economic Forum's Global Gender Gap report, US ranks 6th out of 136 on  economic participation, #1 on educational attainment, #33 on health disparities.  That is a good deal better than the 83/148 or the 60th of 136 in this report on political empowerment.

          But that's neither here nor there, since whatever the rank is, we still have a long ways to go.  I'd say we're a good ways into a very long journey.  Much distance covered, still much left to go.

    •  My mother would have been horrified (2+ / 0-)
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      to be called a "feminist" -- yet when I reflect on how she was able to make a career for herself and support herself and me after my father died, she may have set the best example of someone who wasn't going to settle for the first guy on the street. I saw that I didn't have to settle for just anyone either -- so was able to wait till Mr. Scribe and I had grown up enough for each other. :-)

      There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

      by Cali Scribe on Wed Mar 05, 2014 at 10:41:44 AM PST

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      •  Strangely typical (2+ / 0-)
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        a lot of people who feel that women should be treated equally but hate "feminists."  Similarly, a lot of people feel we need to deal with environmental issues but start by saying "I'm no environmentalist, but..."  

        I've never quite grasped that dynamic

        •  Very complicated (0+ / 0-)

          I'm probably going to leave something out because the reasons why so many women have rejected the label of feminism is really complex. But I will give it a shot.

          There was an intense campaign to paint all feminists as man-hating bitches who just wanted to replace man in the hierarchy. See: feminazis. This scared a lot of women away.

          There was also a massive split between the liberal and conservative women on what feminism means. See: abortion. This had the effect of leading to many conservative women rejecting the label feminism.

          There was a massive split along the color and to a lesser extent class line back in the 60s and 70s due to a bunch of privileged white women defining feminism in such a way that completely erased women of color and largely ignored what poor white women were doing. See: Betty Friedan. This led to many women of color and poor white women rejecting the label feminism and coming up with their own label(s) for a while.

          There was also a massive schism in feminism between cis women and lesbians, trans women, and bisexuals.

          All of this led to women like me rejecting the label for many years out of fear of how we would be stereotyped if we did openly identify as a feminist.

          However, now that the concept of intersectionality has become more widespread, many more women are opening themselves up to the idea that they are feminists.

          Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

          by moviemeister76 on Wed Mar 05, 2014 at 07:45:27 PM PST

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