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  •  theory (7+ / 0-)

    In theory, one cannot disagree with the ultimate threat of having nukes in more places.  However, nations like North Korea and Israel are paranoid/schizophrenic, and they see what's playing out in Ukraine as proof of the need for nukes.  The disregard Russia showed for its pledge not to invade Ukraine will resonate long after this "dust up" is resolved.  The only way to stop a bully is to be as strong--and as crazy--as the bully.
    We're living on borrowed time--eventually nukes will be used again--human beings are brilliant --and flawed.  My guess is that global warming will make this more likely as nations fight over water rights--especially in Asia.  A lot of thirsty souls there and their glaciers are evaporating.  Kaboom.

    Actions speak louder than petitions.

    by melvynny on Wed Mar 05, 2014 at 06:28:34 AM PST

    •  There's one place in the world (4+ / 0-)
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      where three nuclear armed nations share a border.

      Kashmir.

      Which is also the source of the Indus river and lots of lovely water.

      Purity is for primaries; in the general, our worst are better than their best.

      by blue aardvark on Wed Mar 05, 2014 at 04:54:10 PM PST

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    •  India and Pakistan. (3+ / 0-)
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      A potentially toxic mix. That said, some people make the argument that these two countries have avoided wars since they have nukes because they know they will both be annihilated if they start doing anything.

    •  I wince at seeing your grouping North Korea with (1+ / 0-)
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      Israel.  I understand what you are saying.  

      North Korea's greatest threat by far is its own government.  

      I would not describe Israel as paranoid.  Having your people go through the Holicaust, multiple large scale attacks by adjacent countries, persistent attacks by terrorist groups etc. says that their fears of attack are realistic.

      The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

      by nextstep on Wed Mar 05, 2014 at 05:14:42 PM PST

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    •  And, of course, how will it affect future (2+ / 0-)
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      negotiations when somebody asks,

      "So you'll guarantee our safety the same way you guaranteed the Ukraine against a Russian invasion?"

      It's a terrible thing to say, more terrible because it's true: there is no substitute for nuclear weapons in today's world.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Wed Mar 05, 2014 at 05:32:53 PM PST

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      •  Which is why they should get a treaty (1+ / 0-)
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        that is binding instead of just a policy memo. Japan and South Korea both have treaties, as do a great many other countries.

        If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

        by AoT on Wed Mar 05, 2014 at 06:25:38 PM PST

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