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  •  Your best bet is a Randian sect (25+ / 0-)

    A lot of the younger Republicans, or even independents, have a strong libertarian bent and worship Ron Paul.  Since the Elder is out of the game, encourage them to rally around Aqua Buddha, and split off from the mainstream GOP to form a true Randian paradise, complete with "return to gold standard" as one of their primary campaign issues.

    They can call it the Young Galt Party.

    The Cake is a lie. In Pie there is Truth. ~ Fordmandalay

    by catwho on Thu Mar 06, 2014 at 10:07:15 AM PST

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    •  it's why they call it "dope" /nt (8+ / 0-)

      Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

      by annieli on Thu Mar 06, 2014 at 10:10:16 AM PST

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    •  A "Randian paradise" that will nationalize (12+ / 0-)

      …the student loan program -- so they are not indentured servants for their entire lives?

      The Party that wins the Millennials will be the party that leads on this issue, now.

      •  ?? The Randian paradise HAS no student (16+ / 0-)

        loans - except for loans from the student's parents.  That, after all, is government interference in the right of students to not get an education.

      •  I hereby advocate that all students (15+ / 0-)

        be allowed to refinance their student loans at the government 10-year T-bill rate plus 0.1%. That'd be 2.73% + 0.1% = 2.83% interest.

        Purity is for primaries; in the general, our worst are better than their best.

        by blue aardvark on Thu Mar 06, 2014 at 10:55:52 AM PST

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        •  I advocate free university education.... (17+ / 0-)

          Business, society, civilization, planet -  all benefit from an educated populace.

          I will not vote for Hillary. What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

          by dkmich on Thu Mar 06, 2014 at 11:21:16 AM PST

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          •  Well, that would eliminate the need (4+ / 0-)
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            for loans.

            Does that include room and board? If so, I may go back to school ;-p

            Purity is for primaries; in the general, our worst are better than their best.

            by blue aardvark on Thu Mar 06, 2014 at 11:38:46 AM PST

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          •  Used to be free in California (14+ / 0-)
            On April 14, 1960, Governor Brown signed the Donahoe Higher Education Act, more informally known as the “Master Plan.” This was composed of three parts. The statutory bill set the functions of the various public institutions. A constitutional amendment created a Board of Trustees for the state college system. Dozens of general agreements were made that were never officially sanctioned by law but implemented the plan, including admissions guidelines, maintaining a non-tuition policy for California residents other than "incidental costs," and beginning a policy of charging tuition for out-of-state students.[6] During Brown’s two terms, enrollment in higher education in California, including junior colleges, approximately doubled. Spending for the University of California system more than doubled, and for the state colleges more than tripled. Four new state colleges were opened, and three new campuses for the UC system were built
            From Wikipedia  Bolding mine.
            •  And community colleges (10+ / 0-)

              were virtually free also, only 10 dollars per semester in the 1970s as a registration or health fee, or something like that (too long ago to remember). Of course, there was a cost for books but back then they didn't churn them so often, so many students purchased them used from the previous term.

              Gov. Ronnie Reagan loathed the activist students and the "parasites" who were getting a free ride so he started the process of undermining what was then the finest public system of higher education in the world, from broad-based community colleges through the California State University's 19 campuses, up to the University of California and its faculty filled with Nobel laureates.

            •  Well, incidental costs never included "tuition" (3+ / 0-)
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              but student "fees" rose every year.

              I'm not looking a gift horse in the mouth at all. But I think free should mean free, with an included stipend to offset the ridiculous cost of textbooks (and professors who assign textbooks you, yourself, have written, I'm looking at you in particular).

              If we want smart motivated citizens to be educated, we need to educate them.

              © grover

              So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

              by grover on Thu Mar 06, 2014 at 02:12:03 PM PST

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              •  I think you are looking a gift horse (3+ / 0-)
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                in the mouth.  It was a marvelous system.  The fees were not high, textbooks were sold and reused, and there was no tuition.  The California higher education system was the envy of the country.

                The situation today is desperate.  Faculty and course offerings have been severely cut.  Up to 50% in many important departments.  However, the number of students has increased.  To oversimplify, some departments are serving twice the students with half the resources.

                The tuition cost has gone from zero at the UC part of the system to over $12,000/yr and zero in the State Univ part of the system to nearly $6,000/yr.  The community colleges charge $46/credit unit, up from zero prior to 1984.

          •  I advocate, and indeed work directly for, (4+ / 0-)
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            free grade school education for every child on the planet, through One Laptop Per Child. I write software manuals and textbooks, and recruit others to these and other parts of the program. I have friends who work on free online college education, and Open Access academic publishing.

            Full funding of laptops, educational software, Open Educational Resources to replace printed textbooks, electricity, and broadband Internet for each and every one of a billion children at a time, more or less, would cost only some tens of billions of dollars a year, and would end poverty and all of the forms of oppression based on poverty in a generation or two, while increasing the tax base so as to support the other needs of the countries concerned. It would in time undo the superstitions of political ideologies and religions of hate, and also create a global Civil Society able to tackle Global Warming, war, corruption, and all of the other problems that certain factions do not want solved.

            Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

            by Mokurai on Thu Mar 06, 2014 at 12:59:02 PM PST

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            •  Good, but not traditional enough. (1+ / 0-)
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              I would never support it as a replacement or stand alone.   I see university (and the military) as a finishing school for many youth.   It is where they get to practice and polish being adults.  

              I will not vote for Hillary. What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

              by dkmich on Thu Mar 06, 2014 at 01:46:52 PM PST

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              •  Fine for those individuals and countries that (1+ / 0-)
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                can afford it. I work with many that cannot. I will not let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

                Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

                by Mokurai on Thu Mar 06, 2014 at 07:32:35 PM PST

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                •  Enemy of the good.... (1+ / 0-)
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                  I think that is a cop out.   When somebody has to settle for second best, they pull it out of the sack.  I assume you are talking about the US and not some third world country.   Society has a financial and moral responsibility to its kids, particularly in a country where money is no object when it comes to war and the rich.    I was not criticizing your effort.  If it sounded that way, I apologize.

                  Computers are cheap.  Teachers and buildings are not.    Young people benefit from the physical experience of being away at school as much as they do from learning and becoming credentialed.   Older folks are happy with, probably prefer, a virtual road to a credential.  I didn't say your approach wasn't good.  I said it wasn't complete.   As a band aid to make up for a failed society, I have no problem with it.   I just think our kids deserve more than they are getting.

                  I will not vote for Hillary. What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

                  by dkmich on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 03:58:04 AM PST

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                  •  You assume wrong, to begin with (1+ / 0-)
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                    We operate in about 40 countries, such as Haiti, Peru, Uruguay, Rwanda, Cambodia, Afghanistan…and also in the US. The biggest One Laptop Per Child deployment here is in Birmingham, Alabama. The Open Educational Resources movement has created more than 100,000 educational resources in English. Governments are now thinking seriously about replacing printed textbooks completely with OERs, against fierce resistance from the textbook industry. OERu, an entirely digital university, has been organizing for the last few years, and has started to offer degrees in a limited number of subjects, with plans for as many as possible.

                    We are dealing with many countries that do not have teachers nor the means to train them in teachers colleges. They will have to grow them organically by allowing children to learn for themselves over the Internet.

                    I do not presume to tell people what kind of education they want. I offer an alternative, in some cases an alternative to nothing, and in some cases an alternative to what they cannot afford.

                    When we get over income inequality and the deliberate underfunding of education in the US, we can talk about giving everybody the best possible education. Until then, I will talk about and work on something better than the current disaster.

                    Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

                    by Mokurai on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 09:58:33 AM PST

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    •  Yep. The Rand idea is good.... (1+ / 0-)
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      but for the young, the Gold Standard is a bit obsolete.  They are pushing for the Bitcoin standard.

    •  Another nugget from the Republican study: (7+ / 0-)

      "... one of the CRNC's polls found that 54 percent of young voters said 'taxes should go up on the wealthy' while only 3 percent said 'taxes should be cut for the wealthy.' "

      True, younger voters do have a libertarian bent:  keep the government out of the bedroom, deregulate marijuana, let people get married if they want to.  

      But apparently most of them don't buy in to the full Randian interpretation.

    •  Here, I have one for them (3+ / 0-)
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      A Modest Proposal for a Tea Party Utopia

      I have an idea: let's take them at their word.

      Let's cut all the taxes and spending, and save real money

      Just for them, I mean.

      But there is, obviously, a catch. Catch-22, in fact. If they opt out, they leave the rest of us with a perfect right to do anything they can no longer stop us from doing.
      Tea Party people of the United States, I come to offer you your fondest dream: complete liberty with no Federal government tyranny, and your own free markets for everything you like.

      Only one restriction. You can't pick and choose which government programs you'll pay for. (Of course, you are free to sign up for private services to replace them, if you can.) Everything that Congress has voted into the US Code, and all of the bureaucratic regulations, or nothing at all. And a similar deal with your state, if any of them will have you.

      So good luck in those totally free markets, free from the tyranny of Federal Reserve/Treasury money and courts of law. Can you say
      solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short

      Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

      by Mokurai on Thu Mar 06, 2014 at 12:47:54 PM PST

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